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Old 07-24-2009, 12:48 AM   #363 (permalink)
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Vatican II changed the tone for the council of Trent in regards to 'invincible ignorance' and ppl outside the Church were not culpable... and that all Christians may have the possibility to be saved.

However; if anyone cares to read history - the heretics were excommunicated and had no hope outside the one Church.

Furthermore, St John the Apostle...didn't associate with heretics whatsoever.

CHURCH FATHERS: Church History, Book IV (Eusebius)

3. But Polycarp also was not only instructed by the apostles, and acquainted with many that had seen Christ, but was also appointed by apostles in Asia bishop of the church of Smyrna.

4. We too saw him in our early youth; for he lived a long time, and died, when a very old man, a glorious and most illustrious martyr's death, having always taught the things which he had learned from the apostles, which the Church also hands down, and which alone are true.

5. To these things all the Asiatic churches testify, as do also those who, down to the present time, have succeeded Polycarp, who was a much more trustworthy and certain witness of the truth than Valentinus and Marcion and the rest of the heretics. He also was in Rome in the time of Anicetus and caused many to turn away from the above-mentioned heretics to the Church of God, proclaiming that he had received from the apostles this one and only system of truth which has been transmitted by the Church.



6. And there are those that heard from him that John, the disciple of the Lord, going to bathe in Ephesus and seeing Cerinthus within, ran out of the bath-house without bathing, crying, 'Let us flee, lest even the bath fall, because Cerinthus, the enemy of the truth, is within.'



Adding, St John called heretics anti christs.

Now the Church cannot share this view today because they want all to be saved...and whatsoever 'Peter' [& successors] bind or loose is also bound and loosed in Heaven, giving hope to all who believe Jesus is God and with a baptism in the Trinity have the possibility of being saved.
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