Medically Engineered Humans

[Flynn]

Originally Posted by talk2me452002

poor thing...this just breaks my heart,and i dont think at this point i would be thinking about what was best for me,but the child....if all i had in life was to be able to grow up,in body then i would be so let down that my parents would keep that from me....i think as a parent you take what is given,if you have a child with a handicap then you do the best you can..and only alter what you have to to ensure the quality of life best for the child...in most cases its the parents who do most of the altering and not the child..its what parents are supposed to do...... this is an exceptional case,but still.....i would not do this ...i would wont my daughter to grow to be a woman,to what ever degree ,for her mind to grow etc....i would not be thinking in this direction at all..but be laying out plans for me to alter my life to accomadate hers....and be depending on further research to improve the quality of her life,and others in this sitituation.....i quess i'm just a firm beliver that our father will right the things that are wrong in life,and depend on his devine graces for comfort and support...there is always hope...somewhere in this there is a bigger plan..i just hope that the parents see this before this all takes place.....god bless them,and that poor child

It still comes down to the fact that Ashleys parents have the financial recources and the contacts to have these proceedures done to her. If it is an acceptable practice then it should be offered to all parents of disabled children.

[Flynn]

Originally Posted by kiki5711

If this was a few hundred years ago, I'm sure they probably would and did.

There have been some ghastly things done in the name of medical science in the past 100 years, just because it can be done does not mean it should be done.

There have been some amazing things developed in medical science in the last 100 years, the Ashley Treatment is not one of them.

[kiki5711]

Originally Posted by Flynn

It still comes down to the fact that Ashleys parents have the financial recources and the contacts to have these proceedures done to her. If it is an acceptable practice then it should be offered to all parents of disabled children.

In what world? Not this one Flynn. There is no such thing as fair chance or equality for all human beings. Not anywhere that I have seen in my lifetime.
I know I sound negative but can you tell me otherwise?

[Flynn]

Life is not meant to be easy, my child; but take courage -- it can be delightful......... George Bernard Shaw


There is no definitive answer to your question, George Bernard Shaw's message is a good start to an answer though !

[jungleboy]

Originally Posted by sybarite

In the state facility I worked in, we were lucky to get new sheets for their beds, (many of them were threadbare.) There is no way the state is going to pay thousands of dollars for an operation just to make it easier on state employees. Believe me, the least of their worries were if their employees are happy or not.

She speaks true. People in state facilities get the minimum treatment. While it is good to think the citizens would demand the best for patients, it just is not so. We as a society forget these people.

While our 'higher' scence of duty to life may prevent screws and hanging them from the ceiling. They only get the bare minimum. So I vote for the screws. Human warehousing.

I am going to get my mom so she will not be warehoused by the state. She is old, but even I can do a better job than they can.

In what world? Not this one Flynn. There is no such thing as fair chance or equality for all human beings. Not anywhere that I have seen in my lifetime.
I know I sound negative but can you tell me otherwise?

Maybe Flynn has a more ordered world and does not want a world that is so uncaring. If such actions can be done so easy without control, perhaps he/we will get experimented on without anyone intervening on our behalf.

[Flynn]

Originally Posted by jungleboy

She speaks true. People in state facilities get the minimum treatment. While it is good to think the citizens would demand the best for patients, it just is not so. We as a society forget these people.

While our 'higher' scence of duty to life may prevent screws and hanging them from the ceiling. They only get the bare minimum. So I vote for the screws. Human warehousing.

I am going to get my mom so she will not be warehoused by the state. She is old, but even I can do a better job than they can.

In what world? Not this one Flynn. There is no such thing as fair chance or equality for all human beings. Not anywhere that I have seen in my lifetime.
I know I sound negative but can you tell me otherwise?

Maybe Flynn has a more ordered world and does not want a world that is so uncaring. If such actions can be done so easy without control, perhaps he/we will get experimented on without anyone intervening on our behalf.

That is the key to what I am saying, where are the control mechanisms ?

Individual parents with wealth can have their child medically altered to suite their needs. The same child in an institution would not get that treatment because the government would not pay for it and society would not permit it.

A more ordered world ?

Yes and it's called socialism !

[talk2me452002]

Originally Posted by Flynn

It still comes down to the fact that Ashleys parents have the financial recources and the contacts to have these proceedures done to her. If it is an acceptable practice then it should be offered to all parents of disabled children.

Originally Posted by Flynn

That is the key to what I am saying, where are the control mechanisms ?

Individual parents with wealth can have their child medically altered to suite their needs. The same child in an institution would not get that treatment because the government would not pay for it and society would not permit it.

A more ordered world ?

Yes and it's called socialism !

well Flynn,money talks..and untill research deems it nessary for underprivalage,children to be part of the research....money still will do all the talking...hell we cant even get good insurance for our older ppl,much less the handicaped or poverty stricken...as long as the dollar leads the way,the guy that has the most of it,will surely be first in line....but that in its self opens doors ,what one man can afford to pay for answers..we all will learn from it..so its a catch 22

[Flynn]

Talk to Me

How much research money do you think is required to learn that the Ashley Treatment is a barbarous act that should not be repeated on any child or human ?

[talk2me452002]

Originally Posted by Flynn

Talk to Me

How much research money do you think is required to learn that the Ashley Treatment is a barbarous act that should not be repeated on any child or human ?

but that in its self opens doors ,what one man can afford to pay for answers..we all will learn from it..so its a catch 22


ok..again i post this last part of my post...the door swings both ways Flynn.......but you have to understand ,alot of research starts out what it was intended for but ends up,going for something else.....this is why alot of things they told you was good for you,turns out not to be (this week)..and so on and so on!.....what about the shot to prevent cancer,governer perry is trying to mandate it to the young girls..well altho i wouldnt want this vacanine given to me unless i wanted it..i still say the cause is good cause it can prevent cancer.(for how long,who knows).so research,is a good thing,and like i said before,sometimes,it turns out to be for a different cause altogether..and who knows..some good may come out of this one..i will be watching to see,if i live that long!

[Flynn]

Talk 2 Me


I know how research works, some of the worlds greatest medical discoveries were by accident....

This week on the news I heard a story about a baby who had respiratory problems. One doctor suggested that the baby be given a small dose of Viagra which he hoped would open up blood vesssels in the baby's lungs so oxygen could flow through the baby's bloodstream.

So I agree, a lot of medicines and procedures start off as one thing and can be applied to another scenario.

I don't see the Ashley Treatment as having any practical application now or in the future. If it becomes an accepted medical practice I want to know who is setting the boundaries and guidelines of who is eligble for that type of treatment.