Transgender "man" pregnant

[Mimi]

Originally Posted by Flynn

Unfortunately I felt compelled to answer once members like Vinnie and yourself gave your approval for the coming birth of a child whose conception can only be described as contrived.

How did you work that out when I'm talking about the media itself, and not the actual story?

[Flynn]

If the actual story was not up for discussion then it should never have been put here for debate.

Not that it matters a whole lot to anyone but I see yours and Vinnie's stance on this issue as being accepting of deviant humans having Frankenstein Monster type operations on themselves and then bringing an innocent child into their debauched lives.

I see nothing good that can come form this story before, during or after media interest wanes.

I'm curious to know why you give them as much support as you do.

[Mimi]

Originally Posted by Flynn

yourself gave your approval for the coming birth

Originally Posted by Flynn

I'm curious to know why you give them as much support as you do.

You're debating the story and these comments are designed to, not only put words in my mouth that you think I'll defend, but to get an opinion on a story that is only an example, and I'm not giving it to you because my focus is the media, and people that try to gain notoriety by doing whatever they think it takes.

Under other circumstances, if I were asked, and if I wasn't rebelling against your forceful and provocative interpretation of my opinion about 'the media', I'd be happy to comment on the story itself.

[indianajoe]

Originally Posted by Vinnie

Transgender Man Says He's Pregnant


Oregon Man Says He Has Had Chest Reconstruction, Testosterone Therapy



I was not certain whether to post thios or not.
I was reading the Sun the other day (and that's why I did not know whether to admit this) when I saw a full page article about the chap from Oregon who is 5 momnths pregnant. My point for debate is not whether he should have gotten pregnant but what concern of ours is it?


The child will have been born into an unusual family situation and children are cruel. They will pick on any difference here is. Now if I had seen photos of this chap before I'd seen the headline I'd have thought he was a bit porky but nothing else. Once the child was born, he's going to look like a man and the child could have had a quite normal life. Now the childs birth will be paraded through the media for the titillation of the public rather than for any good that cn be done. Any chance of annonymnity is gone. What concern is it of us in the UK that someone 6000 miles away is pregnant? Sometimes I just despair.

This is Vinnie's stated point of this thread..."What concern is it to us?"
Yes there has been a deviation from that stated purpose just as with all threads ,its to be expected in any exchange of thoughts in a discussion.
As for me... it doesnt concern me if the He/She has a baby or not..I dont care. But , how the child is accepted in the world concerns me out of compassion for the child. People who live "deviate" life styles ,like everone else..."reap what they sow..." this child is not the one who decided how they would be brought into the world

[ern59]

Very well said ,Indianajoe.It is not up to any of us to judge these peoples lifestyles.A far greater power will do that if it is meant to be.Like Vinnie said,the point here is whether the media and us need to know about all this and I don't need to know.I feel afraid for what will become of the child also,but maybe he/she will be fine.None of us knows for sure so instead of ranting about deviants and our society going down the drain,let's just try to be the best we can in our own lives and do what we can to help other human beings.I try to do what I think my savior would want of me and ask him to forgive my numerous sins (and I have plenty),and hopefully when my time comes up He will welcome me.

[indianajoe]

thank you Ern

[Vinnie]

Tyhanks for trying to bring things back to where I hoped they'd go folks.

Flynn, you are correct I have no standing to decide what people here want to debate and I'm nort going to jump up and down about OT posts. I'll just keep trying to bring it back to where I want it. I may manage, I may not but that's life!

[Flynn]

You can skirt around the issue all you want but without the two lesbians there is no story.

The fact is, two lesbians, one of which is supposedly a transgender male, obviously lied in their psych evaluation tests. Those tests would have or should have been conducted for suitability for sperm donation and transgender operation.

Both the adults are extroverts and are going to play this for every media dollar than can get and I do not put it past them to be the classic stage mothers and make every available dollar out of that child that they possibly can.

I can just imagine how much money they are going to be paid for the first birth pictures and you are the types of people who will but those glossy magazines to pay for it.


So tell me why aren't the two lesbians part of the issue ?

It goes without saying that theirs is one of the strangest relationships so that child, when born, will have every facet of it's life put under a media microscope.

[Flynn]

Originally Posted by Mimi

You're debating the story and these comments are designed to, not only put words in my mouth that you think I'll defend, but to get an opinion on a story that is only an example, and I'm not giving it to you because my focus is the media, and people that try to gain notoriety by doing whatever they think it takes.

Under other circumstances, if I were asked, and if I wasn't rebelling against your forceful and provocative interpretation of my opinion about 'the media', I'd be happy to comment on the story itself.

The story is that a transgender male is pregnant and he/she lives with a lesbian.

[indianajoe]

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What sort of society do we live in that we even allow this freak to have that sort of operation in the first place.

The doctors who performed that and other operations should have been practicing standard medical procedures rather than making modern day Frankenstein Monsters.

Thomas Beatie was born a woman named Tracy Lagondino, had reassignment surgery to appear as a man outwardly, but he never surgically altered his reproductive organs, he said in the article. He only had chest reconstruction and began taking testosterone, Beatie said, meaning he still has ovaries and a uterus. Now Beatie, who said he was able to get pregnant using artificial insemination, is expecting a baby girl with his wife, Nancy. He said he was 22 weeks along. The baby is due July 3.

Originally Posted by Flynn

I can't believe that in this day and age our hospital systems are pepared to spend money and resources on a transgender operation when babies and the elderly wait in a queue for life saving treatment.

Where is that babies or anyone is being denied life saving medical treatments?..please supply more info on this

Originally Posted by Dthunder

Being taxpayers themselves they have the same emergency rights to the money as anyone else.
I believe here you have to pay for those particular things youself, of have some sort of insurance that provides it, they do not use taxpayer money. The doctors involved are plastic surgens and can stay far away from me in general.

But Beatie's case, while uncommon, is not unique. Another transgender man has given birth before, Cedars-Sinai Medical Center obstetrician Dr. Lisa Masterson said on "Good Morning America" today.

Originally Posted by Flynn

How does a female turned male transsexual become pregnant ?

Did the doctors squirt a turkey baster full of donor sperm down the eye of his/her newly sewn on penis ?

I hope this so called man has to push his baby out through the eye of his penis.

"A transgender man can be pregnant because he has the same organs as a woman," she said, adding that Beatie should have no problem having a baby.

But Masterson said there are some health risks with this kind of pregnancy.

"It's really important that he doesn't take any testosterone early on in the pregnancy and later on," she said. "That can cause male-type characteristics in the female baby."

Usually, transgender men use testosterone to gain more masculine qualities. The article said he stopped getting injections and was able to get pregnant.

Originally Posted by Flynn

A woman wanted to be a man and had an operation to become male, she didn’t remove the female reproductive organs, then decides that she who is now a he wants to have a baby.

As far as I’m concerned that proves that she did not and should not have had a sex change operation in the first place.

Originally Posted by Flynn

Well Vinnie, I think the more valid point is do we want a pregnant hormone taking female with a beard that has had a penis surgically sown on standing before us saying......... Is this normal ?

No it isn't Vinnie, it is an abomination and just because you can do something does not mean to say you should.

Are you referring the the woman /man in this article... nowhere was it mentioned she/he had a penis sown on ,.or is this a generalized statement?



"To Nancy, I am her husband carrying our child," he wrote, explaning that his wife is unable to conceive. "I will be my daughter's father, and Nancy will be her mother. We will be a family."

Originally Posted by Flynn

Mimi

I don't think you and Vinnie realise the hypocrisy of creating a thread which advertises the very ills of society you say the media gives too much coverage to.


You're right about one thing, those freaks serve as trailblazers and they should be used as examples of what not to do. They should not be encouraged by the section of the media that you and Vinnie are part of.

For me I don't mind giving the freak lesbians and their future child media attention, I'll use them as examples of how the degenerates of our time want a controlling interest in all things social so they can legitimize their own depraved life styles.

Why is hypocritical for them and NOT for you ??

Originally Posted by Flynn

You can skirt around the issue all you want but without the two lesbians there is no story.

The fact is, two lesbians, one of which is supposedly a transgender male, obviously lied in their psych evaluation tests. Those tests would have or should have been conducted for suitability for sperm donation and transgender operation.Both the adults are extroverts and are going to play this for every media dollar than can get and I do not put it past them to be the classic stage mothers and make every available dollar out of that child that they possibly can.

I can just imagine how much money they are going to be paid for the first birth pictures and you are the types of people who will but those glossy magazines to pay for it.


So tell me why aren't the two lesbians part of the issue ?

It goes without saying that theirs is one of the strangest relationships so that child, when born, will have every facet of it's life put under a media microscope.

Seems to me that because one is incapable of conception (due to hysterectomy done 20 years ago )it was a rather sane and sensible decission for the other to become pregnant.
Since this isnt the first transgender individual to give birth,(remember "But Beatie's case, while uncommon, is not unique. Another transgender man has given birth before, Cedars-Sinai Medical Center obstetrician Dr. Lisa Masterson said on "Good Morning America" today") I wasnt aware of this, anyone else? If it has already been done and no media circus arose,.. maybe it wont in this case either.