Transgender "man" pregnant

[Flynn]

Originally Posted by indianajoe

No one is denying there are plenty of people who deserve better medical care.
The thing is, what is being discussed here is ELECTIVE surgery. These People paided for the service. The fact that the media made a circus out of it is totally a nother story and thread to post in here.
The examples provided by Flynn are troublesome no doubt but they are not being denied medical care because of someone getting a transgender operation .
But bringing us back to Vinnie's original point "My point for debate is not whether he should have gotten pregnant but what concern of ours is it?"
Since the astonding revelation of this "man" getting pregnant,and the ensuing media clammor,doesn't it seem this issue has died down , as Ive not heard anything more about the couple. Probably because the "new" has wore off due to people really don't give a rat's ass.
On a personal note,..Any person who has served their country in military or other service and needs medical care should NEVER be in need. But thats how it is... what can be done to fix that ? That cant be blamed on media attention unless you want to say they dont put THATout for people to see and be in constant awareness.But the sad truth is...it doesn't sell papers or magazines.

Joe

Let me simplify things for you.

In all our societies there are geriatric inhabitants suffering in waiting queues for things like facial prosthetics and infants are lined up for a cleft pallet operations. Until we care for those who are truely in need of medical assistance then I don’t care if a deluded lesbian has enough money to have elective surgery, just because you have the ability to pay does not make it OK.

As far as I’m concerned the medical expertise and time required to assist a lesbian who convinced medical authorities that she wanted to be a man could and should have been spent on more worthwhile projects.

I don’t care they have enough money to pay, sometimes it comes down to the basics of right and wrong.

No one I’ve spoken to about this topic wants a bearded lesbian and its lesbian partner and the child that is going to be a freak show all of it’s own, living in their neighbourhood.

They are deviants and they should not be able to capitalise on it.


Now back to Vinnies statement of what concern of ours is it.

Well Vinnie it concerns me that modern day society brain washes people like you into believing that things like gender manipulation are a normal part of life.

How people can't see through this whole thing is a scam is not a mystery to me the more time passes the more I see debauched life styles being treated as normal. It isn't normal Vinnie, there is not one part of it that is normal, even the part where you ask, what concern is it of ours, is completely abnormal.

[indianajoe]

Originally Posted by Flynn

Joe

Let me simplify things for you.

In all our societies there are geriatric inhabitants suffering in waiting queues for things like facial prosthetics and infants are lined up for a cleft pallet operations. Until we care for those who are truely in need of medical assistance then I don’t care if a deluded lesbian has enough money to have elective surgery, just because you have the ability to pay does not make it OK.

As far as I’m concerned the medical expertise and time required to assist a lesbian who convinced medical authorities that she wanted to be a man could and should have been spent on more worthwhile projects.

I don’t care they have enough money to pay, sometimes it comes down to the basics of right and wrong.

No one I’ve spoken to about this topic wants a bearded lesbian and its lesbian partner and the child that is going to be a freak show all of it’s own, living in their neighbourhood.

They are deviants and they should not be able to capitalise on it.


Now back to Vinnies statement of what concern of ours is it.

Well Vinnie it concerns me that modern day society brain washes people like you into believing that things like gender manipulation are a normal part of life.

How people can't see through this whole thing is a scam is not a mystery to me the more time passes the more I see debauched life styles being treated as normal. It isn't normal Vinnie, there is not one part of it that is normal, even the part where you ask, what concern is it of ours, is completely abnormal.

Flynn. let me make things even simpler for you ...These "geriatric inhabitants suffering in waiting queues for things like facial prosthetics and infants are lined up for a cleft pallet operations. Until we care for those who are truely in need of medical assistance..."
Are not being denied medical care because someone is getting a transgender operation or any other kind of surgery. Apparently no one ever explained to you that medical care is a big business just like any other business. Its not there because someone cares whether youre healthy or not. Maybe long ago it was.. but all in all..its a money making business just like all other businesses. If it was truely about peoples health...then there would be no one going with out. In the states... all hospitals must give you medical care whether you have medical insurance or money to pay for it. Believe me ..the quality of care you get is in direct relationship to your ability to pay. Its that way anywhere you go in the world. If you dont think so .. pick a place ..ANY place and get medical aide and not be able to pay..let me know how it goes for yo u.

As for what is or is not normal... you're right it isnt the norm... but that doesnt mean its not right. But then again .. no one is arguing that the pregnancy is normal..how could they?.. the argument is... "is it really a concern of ours?"
The media attention they get will only last as long as people want to know,which is probably why the story died so fast.

[BountyHunter]

In my opinon it is no concern of mine. I post the Oat of Hypocrates because it speaks to medical care and not elective body alteration. Body Alteration has nothing to with medical care and a physician practicing such is not keeping with his medical oath. Kids shoud never have to wait for cleft palate treatment in North American. There are twenty-two Shriner's Hospitals for Children where this procedure is performed at no cost to the patient or family. The same is true with orthopedic care as long as the child is still under 18 years of age. The same is true for burn victims.

[arella]

[Flynn]

Let me put it in terms that even you can understand Joe, every minute spent on sewing a penis onto a lesbian is a minute not spent on giving a geriatric patient a prosthetic nose that they can't afford.




Bounty Hunter


Thank You !



Arella

Of course love knows gender and that's why I believe in hetrosexuality, nothing fits better into a vagina than a penis and if that wasn't the truth why would lesbians and bisexuals purchase vibrators shaped like the male genitalia ?

[indianajoe]

Originally Posted by Flynn

Let me put it in terms that even you can understand Joe, every minute spent on sewing a penis onto a lesbian is a minute not spent on giving a geriatric patient a prosthetic nose that they can't afford.




Bounty Hunter


Thank You !



Arella

Of course love knows gender and that's why I believe in hetrosexuality, nothing fits better into a vagina than a penis and if that wasn't the truth why would lesbians and bisexuals purchase vibrators shaped like the male genitalia ?

Flynn that little perfect world you apparently live in must be drug induced.
No one is doubting that more could be done in the medical field to help all who desparately need it,..but to blame those who perform operations such as transgendering is asinine.

[indianajoe]

Originally Posted by BountyHunter

In my opinon it is no concern of mine. I post the Oat of Hypocrates because it speaks to medical care and not elective body alteration. Body Alteration has nothing to with medical care and a physician practicing such is not keeping with his medical oath. Kids shoud never have to wait for cleft palate treatment in North American. There are twenty-two Shriner's Hospitals for Children where this procedure is performed at no cost to the patient or family. The same is true with orthopedic care as long as the child is still under 18 years of age. The same is true for burn victims.

So you're saying that those who perform these operations are wrong to do so ?
[edit] Cosmetic surgery
Cosmetic Surgery defined as a subspecialty of surgery that uniquely restricts itself to the enhancement of appearance through surgical and medical techniques. It is specifically concerned with maintaining normal appearance, restoring it, or enhancing it beyond the average level toward some aesthetic ideal. In 2006, nearly 11 million cosmetic surgeries were performed in the United States alone.[5]

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Abdominoplasty (or "tummy tuck"): reshaping and firming of the abdomen
Blepharoplasty (or "eyelid surgery"): Reshaping of the eyelids or the application of permanent eyeliner, including Asian blepharoplasty
Mammoplasty
Breast augmentation (or "breast enlargement" or "boob job"): Augmentation of the breasts. This can involve either fat grafting, saline or silicone gel prosthetics. Initially performed to women with micromastia
Breast reduction: Removal of skin and glandular tissue. Indicated to reduce back and shoulder pain in women with gigantomastia and/or for psychological benefit in women with gigantomastia/macromastia and men with gynecomastia.
Breast lift (Mastopexy): Lifting or reshaping of breasts to make them less saggy, often after weight loss (after a pregnancy, for example). It involves removal of breast skin as opposed to glandular tissue.
Buttock Augmentation (or "butt augmentation" or "butt implants"): Enhancement of the buttocks. This procedure can be performed by using silicone implants or fat grafting and transfer from other areas of the body.
Chemical peel: Minimizing the appearance of acne, pock, and other scars as well as wrinkles (depending on concentration and type of agent used, except for deep furrows), solar lentigines (age spots, freckles), and photodamage in general. Chemical peels commonly involve carbolic acid (Phenol), trichloroacetic acid (TCA), glycolic acid (AHA), or salicylic acid (BHA) as the active agent.
Labiaplasty: Surgical reduction and reshaping of the labia
Rhinoplasty (or "nose job"): Reshaping of the nose
Otoplasty (or ear surgery): Reshaping of the ear
Rhytidectomy (or "face lift"): Removal of wrinkles and signs of aging from the face
Suction-Assisted Lipectomy (or liposuction): Removal of fat from the body
Chin augmentation: Augmentation of the chin with an implant (e.g. silicone) or by sliding genioplasty of the jawbone.
Cheek augmentation
Collagen, fat, and other tissue filler injections (e.g. hyaluronic acid)
Laser skin resurfacing

[indianajoe]

Originally Posted by BountyHunter

In my opinon it is no concern of mine. I post the Oat of Hypocrates because it speaks to medical care and not elective body alteration. Body Alteration has nothing to with medical care and a physician practicing such is not keeping with his medical oath. Kids shoud never have to wait for cleft palate treatment in North American. There are twenty-two Shriner's Hospitals for Children where this procedure is performed at no cost to the patient or family. The same is true with orthopedic care as long as the child is still under 18 years of age. The same is true for burn victims.

Shriners Hospitals Application for Treatment
Shriners Hospitals for Children is committed to helping children with orthopaedic problems, burns, spinal cord injuries, cleft lip and palate, and certain other health conditions, lead fuller and more productive lives.

Children up to age 18 are eligible for care at Shriners Hospitals for Children if, in the opinion of our physicians, there is a reasonable possibility they can benefit from the specialized services available. Acceptance is based solely on a child�s medical needs. A family's income or insurance status is not criteria for acceptance as a patient.

It is safe to assume treatment will not be provided if in their opinion it would not be beneficial and this is reasonable.
the last statement is interesting however because on their application form ... the very last thing they ask for is your last yearly income. Granted there is a box you can select to not provide it... but why is income asked at all?..

[indianajoe]

"No one I’ve spoken to about this topic wants a bearded lesbian and its lesbian partner and the child that is going to be a freak show all of it’s own, living in their neighbourhood. " ~ Quote from Flynn

Please explain how this child would be a "freak show all of it's own "
Have you no compassion for a child ,who by no choice of it own, was brought into the world?.. I suppose you feel the same about "crack babies" maybe even the mentally handicap. ?

[kipper]

Originally Posted by Flynn

Arella

Of course love knows gender and that's why I believe in hetrosexuality, nothing fits better into a vagina than a penis and if that wasn't the truth why would lesbians and bisexuals purchase vibrators shaped like the male genitalia ?

Just a point of order here, I do not believe a penis is the best thing to fit a vagina. It's the wrong shape all together. I think it should be the same shape as a Cricket bat, aesthetically speaking of course.