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Old 11-21-2005, 03:45 PM   #1031 (permalink)
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Sister Pat!

All my posts suggest I am closed minded???? It comes as a stark surprise that one would think I am anything but open minded.

I ponder why you would even make such a statement when everyone that reads my posts, expect perhaps you, would think I was so open minded that the wind blows through without resistance!

Again, I just don't know what to say about your allegations towards me, my free thinking and your inability to read the English language much less write in a clean and concise manner. Perhaps your lack of education leaves you mind closed like a vise and thus gives impetus to your inability to even attempt to challenge those dogma which you hold as self evident truths based on the fables of a historical manipulation wrought with contempt for women, humanity and the Creator alike!

Furthermore, to have to ascribe a gender to a spiritual entity is mere folly and evidence of your inability to think freely much less with an open mind.

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Sister Pat!

All my posts suggest I am closed minded???? It comes as a stark surprise that one would think I am anything but open minded.

I ponder why you would even make such a statement when everyone that reads my posts, expect perhaps you, would think I was so open minded that the wind blows through without resistance!

Again, I just don't know what to say about your allegations towards me, my free thinking and your inability to read the English language much less write in a clean and concise manner. Perhaps your lack of education leaves you mind closed like a vise and thus gives impetus to your inability to even attempt to challenge those dogma which you hold as self evident truths based on the fables of a historical manipulation wrought with contempt for women, humanity and the Creator alike!

Furthermore, to have to ascribe a gender to a spiritual entity is mere folly and evidence of your inability to think freely much less with an open mind.

With the utmost concern for you general well being and mental health!

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male and female light... whatever

about Adam and Eve... appart from believing that in this case evolution makes much more sense (ignore the fact that theres scientific proof of it, it doesnt matter here). If humanity started with Adam and Eve then it means that there should have been many Adams and many Eves, or that all of a sudden God started to create other people (like that misterious wife), which couldnt be brothers and sisters coz that makes us product of incestuous relationships with all the problems that it can bring...

like in everything else: everyone decides if they want to believe blindly what they read or if they want to reach conclusions that satisfy them more... you know which one I choose.
Ok, if we pretend evolution without God exists, then we have to have a reason for slanted eyelids in the Orient, and since it doesn't make or break survival, it really doesn't make evolutionary sense.

AGAIN< ~~ God allowed incest for the continuance of mankind. WHEN GOD deemed it no longer necessary, nor good then in Exodus is the beginning of the law disclaiming this function. Thus incestous offspring became 'Mutated' humans who do not function as the norm of society. IE, they have cognitive faculty challenges. This is now the byproduct of incest since the law had been decreed.

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"His wife"... She was a daughter of Adam, and Cain's own sister; God dispensing with such marriages in the beginning of the world, as mankind could not otherwise be propagated.
However; we also know incest was acceptable practice by reading Genesis 19; 39
Where Lot's daughters bore his children.

BTW, I debate at another forum with atheists, and they cannot proove God does not exist. They also cannot proove evolution. There are no scientific factors that would lead anyone to believe that we formed out of nothing without an intelligent designer.

IN fact, they have yet to proove any mutation that is beneficial to mankind that would evolve the species to another form, as is the 'pretext' of the animal kingdom self creating other forms of life off one another.

MA, by being 'a free thinker' your mind is closed. You cannot see the forest for the trees.
The Bible enlightens our knowledge of where mankind has come from, but free thinkers have only one conclusion...their own, and cannot be open to the bigger picture. When we perceive and conclude the universe by our own perceptions alone, we become limited to the small box of thinking we create for ourselves.
Also this applies to Lestrex.

Funny how these boxes get very little LIGHT in them. {Analogy of God's essense, for those who did not perceive it}.


Lestrex, What you consider a fairy tale, archeologists can 'proove.'.
Perhaps find biblical archeology. It is an immense finding.
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Ok, if we pretend evolution without God exists, then we have to have a reason for slanted eyelids in the Orient, and since it doesn't make or break survival, it really doesn't make evolutionary sense.

AGAIN< ~~ God allowed incest for the continuance of mankind. WHEN GOD deemed it no longer necessary, nor good then in Exodus is the beginning of the law disclaiming this function. Thus incestous offspring became 'Mutated' humans who do not function as the norm of society. IE, they have cognitive faculty challenges. This is now the byproduct of incest since the law had been decreed.



However; we also know incest was acceptable practice by reading Genesis 19; 39
Where Lot's daughters bore his children.

BTW, I debate at another forum with atheists, and they cannot proove God does not exist. They also cannot proove evolution. There are no scientific factors that would lead anyone to believe that we formed out of nothing without an intelligent designer.

IN fact, they have yet to proove any mutation that is beneficial to mankind that would evolve the species to another form, as is the 'pretext' of the animal kingdom self creating other forms of life off one another.

MA, by being 'a free thinker' your mind is closed. You cannot see the forest for the trees.
The Bible enlightens our knowledge of where mankind has come from, but free thinkers have only one conclusion...their own, and cannot be open to the bigger picture. When we perceive and conclude the universe by our own perceptions alone, we become limited to the small box of thinking we create for ourselves.
Also this applies to Lestrex.

Funny how these boxes get very little LIGHT in them. {Analogy of God's essense, for those who did not perceive it}.


Lestrex, What you consider a fairy tale, archeologists can 'proove.'.
Perhaps find biblical archeology. It is an immense finding.

Without God? why without? Is it the whole package or none at all? Either I believe in God and the whole Bible thing or I dont believe in anything?
God couldnt make evolution happen? The elephant evoluting from the mammoth and the human from the ape?

And the incest thing still doesnt convince me... sorry

One more thing, I dont understand what you meant by: "Funny how these boxes get very little LIGHT in them. {Analogy of God's essense, for those who did not perceive it}"
What are the boxes?
And by the way: I also believe God is light (or energy), just not male
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I am sorry but I think for myself and I am not led by others if God exists why all the secrecy he could make it so easy for himself and mankind why all the death, the pain the heartbreaking moments that haunt us throughout our lives mothers losing there children in the womb or days or hours into there precious lives that your God gave them , wars, disease, murder, people starving to death natural disasters that wipe out so many families this earth is so perfect is it not.
You quote many fancy words written by other men and women your faith is based on the belief of others if you as a child had not been open to the teachings of the bible and you never set eyes on another human being who had read the bible then where would your faith and proof of gods existence come from you would not have any at all, that’s why people who have not come into contact with our Bible form there own religions and Gods why are we so privileged to be given the insight into Gods existence are not all the people in the world Gods children according to Christ its a pity that your native American Indians where not given the knowledge that you seem to think is so sacred, then perhaps we would not have set about trying to wipe them of the face of the earth along with so many other so called savages
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Please don't try to write beyond your abilities, you look rather silly to be out right frank! Your whole statement directed at Lestrex and me is nothing short of sophomoric writing. Get a life for you own sake dear. Perhaps internet education would be in line for you, no that would take some thinking and you know the Devil loves a thinker. So this implies God loves the ignorant? OR is it the RCC loves the ignorant? You seem to want to speak as an authority when you can not even use your mother tongue in a fluent manner. Sorry but with my neuroses, I must state...PROVE is not spelled PROOVE....it looks odd don't you think, oh that is right you are not allowed to think! So now that we have that cleared up, let us continue to discuss things for those of us discussing things, but for those of us decreeing the laws of the spirit world, let us bow and pray to them and perhaps in time we to will be enlightened as the Holy Sister Patrish is...LOL!....

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The Bible teaches clearly that all human beings are descendants of Adam and Eve-thus there had to be inter-marriage between brother and sister. There would have been no risk of this causing harmful deformities in the offspring because mutations need time to occur and accumulate in a population. Thus the first few generations would have inherited perfect or near perfect genes, largely undamaged by mutations. In the pre-flood world harmful radiation from the sun and other cosmic sources was considerably more filtered than it is in the post flood world. Increased radiation and a depletion of oxygen in the atmosphere may have contributed greatly to mans rapid degeneration.

With the passing of many centuries many of these harmful degenerative changes became added to the human race, so by the time of Moses it was absolutely necessary to have laws against incest, (Leviticus 18-20). Today there would be even more chance of deformity/disease in the offspring of such a union than in Moses's time. Because of the long life-spans, Adam and Eve's descendants may have been very numerous and widely dispersed before Cain ever took a wife-that is, any inhabitants of the land of Nod would have been descendants of Adam and Eve, who had many sons and daughters.
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Sybrite, nice conjecture I can see what you are saying! Let us do the math though, just how many generations would it take to make such a population from the two original humans?

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The holy sister Pat stated:”MA, by being 'a free thinker' your mind is closed. You cannot see the forest for the trees.”

Oh, so I am clouded by being open to other realities thereby not allowing me to see your truth as you have been indoctrinated to “believe?” Frankly dear you are now speaking in ‘tongues’ as this statement makes no sense what-so-ever. You are using paradoxical statements to get your point across? NOT!

Her Holiness further spews: “The Bible enlightens our knowledge of where mankind has come from, but free thinkers have only one conclusion...their own, and cannot be open to the bigger picture. When we perceive and conclude the universe by our own perceptions alone, we become limited to the small box of thinking we create for ourselves.
Also this applies to Lestrex. ”

WHAT, IN THE NAME OF GOD ARE YOU SUGGESTING!

Oh, to think, to formulate, to evaluate, and to question, to share information etc…is to blind one’s self to the truth? Well sweet britches, your bible tells us to question, to think, to not blindly follow the scarlet whore! Do I have to tell you this time and time again, gosh and you say Subby can’t get what you are saying. The problem sister is you are not saying anything that makes any sense to others unless they have been indoctrinated into the RCC cult way of thinking in that a man can give absolution, can give access to the lamb thus giving the one thing ONLY GOD can give, eternal life…according to your bible that is…

Honey, there isn’t a single thing you say that you can “PROOVE” LOL!

Oh, Mary please help sister Pat realize she speaks from years upon years of culturally biased indoctrination and only does so to further disrespect the very entity she believes she is championing…

God made man in ‘his’ own likeness. Gosh what a mistake, seems your god is riddled with issues! God, the perfect being, made Satan, a perfect being, well almost because Lucifer wanted to be God, hmmm…and to “PROOVE” LOL…to Satan that “he,” God is better, “he” gave dominion over the earth and man to his imperfect enemy at humanities cost? What in Heaven was God thinking? What did God have to prove? Why does God need to even deal with the likes of Satan and not smite him from existence and thus relieve mankind from the suffering inflicted by the will of Satan and his minions? Now it seems like your God has a ‘point’ to make to Lucifer but that would be giving God, human characteristics would it not?

Please Sister in lighting us lol… we are all in the dark…(tongue in cheek statement and spelling…sister!)

With the highest concern for the closed minded and most sincere respect for those that don’t condemn other to hell for not believing in their way of thinking or lack thereof!

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I am sorry but I think for myself and I am not led by others if God exists why all the secrecy he could make it so easy for himself and mankind why all the death, the pain the heartbreaking moments that haunt us throughout our lives mothers losing there children in the womb or days or hours into there precious lives that your God gave them , wars, disease, murder, people starving to death natural disasters that wipe out so many families this earth is so perfect is it not.
You quote many fancy words written by other men and women your faith is based on the belief of others if you as a child had not been open to the teachings of the bible and you never set eyes on another human being who had read the bible then where would your faith and proof of gods existence come from you would not have any at all, that’s why people who have not come into contact with our Bible form there own religions and Gods why are we so privileged to be given the insight into Gods existence are not all the people in the world Gods children according to Christ its a pity that your native American Indians where not given the knowledge that you seem to think is so sacred, then perhaps we would not have set about trying to wipe them of the face of the earth along with so many other so called savages
Well... theres a difference between believing in God and believing in the Bible.
About all the disasters and suffering in the world... we cant expect to understand the reasons for everything that happens, but I do believe that it all happens for a reason. Didnt ever happen to you that something you wanted very much didnt happen or that you lost something and felt that it was so unfair and after a while you realized that actually it had to turn out to happen that way for something else to happen? I know it did to me...

About the Native Americans... we do have a lot to learn from their culture.
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