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45 | 20.00% |
| Protestant(christian) |
  
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56 | 24.89% |
| Mormon(christian?) |
  
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7 | 3.11% |
| hindu |
  
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6 | 2.67% |
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3 | 1.33% |
| Jewish |
  
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8 | 3.56% |
| Buddhism(any variartion) |
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4 | 1.78% |
| Satanist |
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9 | 4.00% |
| Muslim |
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12 | 5.33% |
| Other |
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95 | 42.22% |
| Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 225. This poll is closed | |||
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05-15-2004, 05:57 AM
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all i have to say is that i was not around when life started so i do not know what went on and i do not belive what i read in every case. as for the bible and what i have learned in church, it all does not make any sence at all. as for moses parting the red sea, jesus walking on water. i really do not think that could ever happen. ppl exarated to make it more entersting to others, and also translation from language to language things are droped and picked up so it has no meaning to ME
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05-15-2004, 07:27 AM
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"never trust anybody over 30"
Perfect reasons to study it and the original texts, etc to find out the real truth. It sure beats waiting around to die and come back. In relation to things being dropped and picked up - look up as much information as you could find on how the Greek and Hebrew texts were translated into Olde English. It's all very interesting. Quote:
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05-15-2004, 01:58 PM
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OK OK...UNCLE...I GIVE UP....
Now I will tell you my faith...I AM CATHOLIC.... and not only that, BUT I can proove where all the things Catholics do ~ are scriptually sound. IF there is ONE thing that gets me pretty irritated, is when my religion gets dragged through the mud. This is why for the most part I refrain from telling my faith....but not because I am ashamed, but because I prefer to not get into the 'belittleing' other religions IF I DO NOT KNOW HOW THEY BASE SOMETHING.... Ok....ok...ok...ok...I am cool now.  Lookie Grizzly...love ya, but do me a TREMENDOUS FAVOR.... One, skip the schisms....two, if you do NOT understand how the Catholic Church does things, please do NOT make a stance that we are the ones wrong. Under the guise you know why we do what we do. I can either show you, or find the answers. OK.....now is everyone here happy I finally revealed my faith?  Ok...now I tell you these things not to convert you, but to be sure that prudence when discussing CC is used....in deabtes. Another thing folks...I can show you the ENTIRE lineage of religion and the FACT that the CATHOLIC CHURCH WAS THE FIRST ONE HERE....!!! Whether we agree or disagree....I have sites to show you... AND I ask one thing....for favor...do NOT ever diss my religion...and I wont diss yours.  Ok.....have questions...?
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05-15-2004, 02:00 PM
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05-16-2004, 01:26 AM
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Patrish, not trying to diss your religion and I tried to be careful how I stated my beliefs to make that clear. I am sure there are things that I believe that you would disagree with too. That is why I specified that non salvation issues are minor.
But, since you asked a couple of things that I fnd which are (as far as my study has revealed  ) are scripturally unsound are 1. The ten commandments as presented in a Catholic Bible. This is really interesting check it out, even in a Christian bookstore you can find two versions. The version used by MOST Catholics has removed the second commandment, "Thou shalt remember the Sabbath and keep it holy" and in order to maintain Ten commandments split the Commandment "Thou shalt not covet they neighbors...." into two parts. This was done when the Catholic church in an effort to convert pagans who worshipped the sun on "The venerable day of the sun" by providing worship on the day they already were used to. (Similar to the advent of the Christ Mass "Christmas", Easter, etc..) 2. Confession of sins to a priest. The Bible does encourage us to confess our sins to each other, but it is very clear in I Timothy 2:5 when it says, "There is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Jesus Christ" I am sorry if any part of my post came across as an attack on you or your faith. I intended it only as an expression of my beliefs. |
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05-16-2004, 01:01 PM
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Grizzy, let me tell you, number one hon....we ahve the full second commandment, and I have no clue who wrote this about Catholics but they are very wrong...VERY VERY WRONG!
Exodus 20; 8~11 "Remember to keep holy the Sabbath day. Six days you may labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. No work may be done then either by you, or your son or daughter, or your male or female slave, or your beast, or by the alien who lives with you. In six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, but on the seventh day he rested, That is why the Lord has blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy." BTW...this is THE THIRD COMMANDMENT AFTER 'Have no gods before me, and after Shall not take My name is vain. Just thought you might want to know.... Exodus 20; 17 "You shall not covet thy neighbors house. You shall not covet thy neighbors wife, NOR his ox or ass, nor anything else that belongs to him." It is not in two parts.... It is one after the other. NOW...for the veneration of Mary.... are you Christian? Are we not taught as followers of Christ to do as He did? Did he die on the cross a perfect innocent lamb of God? Therefore he sinned NOT! Therefore, he followed the TEN COMMANDMENTS. Is not the fourth Commandment of importance HONOR THY FATHER AND MOTHER? DID he honor His father and Mother? YES he did, and as Christians are we not called to follow him in all ways to righteousness? Yes, we are called to follow by his lead and example...therefore, we are called to HONOR HIS MOTHER! PERIOD! And in revelations, it states that Saints in heaven are witness to our trials...etc etc Be back later...for more!
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05-17-2004, 06:33 AM
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Thanks for the clarification on which commandment it was, my bad. I don't know why this thread said before that it wasn't accepting new posts, I tried it before your last post.
I also need to make a correction on the URL I gave you. it is e-sword.net not esword.net Funny how much difference a little dash makes on the computer. I am glad that you stand by your faith 100%. I know of someone else who stood by his belief 100%, he was a jewish carpenter about 2000 years ago. There are records of many many more in a book by Jon Fox, you have probably heard of it, it is titled Fox's book of Martyrs. I too stand by my faith, even though being human I sometimes (all too often) falter. And I would like to remind you of something I put in my post. I said that non salvation issues are minor. I have every confidence that I will see many good Catholic Christians in heaven, just like I will see Baptists, Lutherans, Mennonites, and hear Pentecostals from a long ways off. You will note the defining beliefs of these various denominations are those that explain the gospel message of Jesus Christ, not the issues of when and how to baptize, specific prayers to say, or interpretation of prophecy. Those things God deals with as he sees the need. |
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05-17-2004, 10:04 AM
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This is why I said much earlier, I preferred to NOT give away my religious denomination.
However, all too often I hear frequently that Catholics are wrong, they don't know scripture, and they have NO way to proove they do....HOWEVER!!... I do know where to find all my religious beliefs in the bible. I also would never claim others of any denomination would not be in heaven. I am pretty sure there are not cue cards in heaven....regarding which doctrine one followed. He will decide based on man's heart....and sins. Ex; If you go b4 His throne in the end, face His judgement and have decidedly turned your back on him, and his teachings, regardless of misunderstanding them.... then He will say; "I sent you the truth many times, but you turned you back. Now I turn my back to you, who refused to believe in me, I do NOT believe in you." That is hypothetical, but probably scary close. Watching the world disent from faith and religion, and love for others, is like watching zombie's line up and follow one another under the pretext they are 'free thinkers'....  IF free thinking means risking salvation.....let me think only on that which is of God. But, in my absense when you are fellowshipping with your community of faithful, reflect how many times my faith is being torn up and compared to the faith of your <<UNKNOWN>> religion...(Hint...you never said... )And do me one other favor, tell them that you know someone who can, without a blink of the eye...show where we are scriptural sound. Just ask, I shall find, if I do not know already. I love doing it. Peace Grizzers.
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05-17-2004, 10:44 AM
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Jesus is our mediator indeed, however, on His behalf in His absense, He gave this to the Apostles when HE said to them.... St John 20; 21~23 "He therefore said to them again, 'Peace be to you! As the Father has sent me, I also send you.' When He had said this, he breathed upon them, and said to them, 'Receive the Holy Spirit; whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained." He was telling them to directly forgive sins, or not forgive, and heaven will take the same stance. Furthermore...Jesus also told us all to forgive 7 x 70..... IF mankind could not forgive sins, then why would Jesus ask everyone to forgive sins. Apostles were given a more direct statement however. Another thing is, the misunderstanding of what is meant by being the ONE mediator between Himself and God the Father. All prayers, eventually must be made THROUGH our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore, if asking and petitioning God, one must ask through Jesus. If thanking God, one must thank the Father, through the Lord Jesus. If one must beg for the Father's forgiveness it should be asked through the Lord Jesus. And priests forgive in the name of Jesus Christ. This would also include the invocation of Saints...which if you need proof of that as well, I am able. Peace!
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05-19-2004, 12:21 PM
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Wow. So much said. I may be reprimanded here, but I feel it has to be said.
I thought that the first thing is believing in Jesus. Being thankful for His salvation. The rest is just detail. Too much theological debate about which, what, and who, etc can scare away people from believing. All fall short of the glory of God. Too many people are curious, see us war; and then turn around. The commission that we are given is not to quarrel over words, but to spread the good word. Think upon the good things. That is why I have yet to find a church to stay at. Fellowship is extremely important, but most churches have too much in the way of politics and quarrels. We all suck, we all are sinners, where is a place to really worship God instead of gossip about His followers?!
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