Short Comments From Obama Re The Repub Convention

Pixsurguy · 09-05-2008, 12:18 PM

SHORT COMMENTS FROM OBAMA RE THE REPUB CONVENTION

Why would the Republicans spend a whole night of their convention attacking ordinary people?

With the nation watching, the Republicans mocked, dismissed, and actually laughed out loud at Americans who engage in community service and organizing.

Our convention was different. We gave the stage to everyday Americans who hunger for change and stepped up to make phone calls, knock on doors, and raise money in small amounts in their communities.

You may have missed it, but we also showed the country a video with the faces and voices of those organizers, volunteers, and donors from every corner of the country.

What you didn't hear from the Republicans at their convention is a single new idea about how to make the healthcare system work, get our economy moving for the middle class, or improve education.

Just attacks -- on me, and on you.

But what the McCain attack squad doesn't understand is that people like you -- who devote part of their busy lives to organizing and building their communities -- have the power to change this country.

With your help, that's exactly what we're going to do.

Thank you,

Barack

Shkeeptareh · 09-05-2008, 03:23 PM

the republicans openly mocked and berated Barack Obama... and mccain even took some jabs at his own party.. and Palin herself appealed to the normal American family by her statements in her speech...and i liked mccain's because he is unnassuming, there is work involved in everything but there is a BIG difference between running a State and being a community organizer... what is a community organizer... judging by some of his speeches it makes you wonder what he organized... especially considering the fact that a lot of his speeches have quotes in them from Anti-American authors and activists

"the world as it is and the world as it should be..." is from a communist work...

PENNMTNS · 09-05-2008, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Shkeeptareh

the republicans openly mocked and berated Barack Obama... and mccain even took some jabs at his own party.. and Palin herself appealed to the normal American family by her statements in her speech...and i liked mccain's because he is unnassuming, there is work involved in everything but there is a BIG difference between running a State and being a community organizer... what is a community organizer... judging by some of his speeches it makes you wonder what he organized... especially considering the fact that a lot of his speeches have quotes in them from Anti-American authors and activists

"the world as it is and the world as it should be..." is from a communist work...

Amen !!

Pixsurguy · 09-05-2008, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by PENNMTNS

Amen !!

The reason McCain is unassuming and low key is that he has little or nothing to be assuming or high key about. For example, Mr. Intellectual graduated LAST in his class at the Naval Academy.

It was beyond absurd to hear him anointing himself as the agent of change. What a joke !!

He is now and has been for more than 20 years a Washington insider and part of the good ol' boy network. If he's such a super and independent hero, why did he vote party line more than 90% of the time? What? He waits until he wants to be President to decide that change is good?

He's the guy who supported Dubya more than 95% of the time for the last 8 years and he says he will stick with the Bush agenda. That is change?
Anyone who thinks that the nation is better off than it was 8 years ago is an idiot.

Our country is in the worst shape economically, militarily, and in foreign policy in the last 25 years. And McCain wants more of that? Give me a break.

He's a fiscal conservative he says and he says that government is bad. Then why has he supported 95% of Bush's agenda for the last 8 years? Under Bush we went from a huge surplus to a deficit far beyond any ever experienced in the entire history of our country. Under Bush (and Ronny boy) the government expanded in size and power over the people more than at any other time in the last fifty years. And George Dubya McCain wants to keep up the Bush agenda? What a maroon (as Bugs would say) !!

PENNMTNS · 09-05-2008, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Pixsurguy

The reason McCain is unassuming and low key is that he has little or nothing to be assuming or high key about. For example, Mr. Intellectual graduated LAST in his class at the Naval Academy.

It was beyond absurd to hear him anointing himself as the agent of change. What a joke !!

He is now and has been for more than 20 years a Washington insider and part of the good ol' boy network. If he's such a super and independent hero, why did he vote party line more than 90% of the time? What? He waits until he wants to be President to decide that change is good?

He's the guy who supported Dubya more than 95% of the time for the last 8 years and he says he will stick with the Bush agenda. That is change?
Anyone who thinks that the nation is better off than it was 8 years ago is an idiot.

Our country is in the worst shape economically, militarily, and in foreign policy in the last 25 years. And McCain wants more of that? Give me a break.

He's a fiscal conservative he says and he says that government is bad. Then why has he supported 95% of Bush's agenda for the last 8 years? Under Bush we went from a huge surplus to a deficit far beyond any ever experienced in the entire history of our country. Under Bush (and Ronny boy) the government expanded in size and power over the people more than at any other time in the last fifty years. And George Dubya McCain wants to keep up the Bush agenda? What a maroon (as Bugs would say) !!

as a senator just what bills did dumbama propose...what committes did he serve on...how many years of service to this country ??? just why can't any one ever get a straight answer about his early education or on the ayers issue...the only statement he made on ayers was that..."he's a good man"...christ...he refused to vote as a senator over 80%..of the time he was there...lmbo what a joke.........................and just think he got paid ...to sit on his. ass...maybe he just couldn't comprehend the issues at hand.....


	John McCain	McCain supports tax credits to encourage individuals and families to purchase health insurance and says that increased competition in the insurance industry will drive down prices. In 2005, McCain and Sen. Ken Salazar (D-Colo.) proposed a national commission to study the nation's health care system and outline proposals for addressing spiraling costs. McCain has advocated making generic drugs more available to consumers and wants to ease restrictions on imported drugs to make prescriptions more affordable. In an April 2008 speech outlining his economic policies, he called for wealthier Medicare recipients to pay higher premiums for prescription drug coverage. He advocates tort reform to eliminate excessive damage awards on medical malpractice suits.

	Barack Obama	When he formally declared his run for the presidency, Obama said his goal was to implement universal health care, or government health insurance for all Americans, by 2012 or "the end of the first term of the next president." He has called "belief in universal health" care one of the "core values" of the Democratic Party. Obama proposes a national health care plan, similar to that available to federal employees, that would allow individuals and businesses to buy health care. The plan would mandate coverage for children but not for adults and would be funded in part by projected revenue from allowing President Bush's tax cuts to expire.

Pixsurguy · 09-05-2008, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by PENNMTNS

as a senator just what bills did dumbama propose...what committes did he serve on...how many years of service to this country ??? just why can't any one ever get a straight answer about his early education or on the ayers issue...the only statement he made on ayers was that..."he's a good man"...christ...he refused to vote as a senator over 80%..of the time he was there...lmbo what a joke.........................and just think he got paid ...to sit on his. ass...maybe he just couldn't comprehend the issues at hand.....


	John McCain	McCain supports tax credits to encourage individuals and families to purchase health insurance and says that increased competition in the insurance industry will drive down prices. In 2005, McCain and Sen. Ken Salazar (D-Colo.) proposed a national commission to study the nation's health care system and outline proposals for addressing spiraling costs. McCain has advocated making generic drugs more available to consumers and wants to ease restrictions on imported drugs to make prescriptions more affordable. In an April 2008 speech outlining his economic policies, he called for wealthier Medicare recipients to pay higher premiums for prescription drug coverage. He advocates tort reform to eliminate excessive damage awards on medical malpractice suits.

	Barack Obama	When he formally declared his run for the presidency, Obama said his goal was to implement universal health care, or government health insurance for all Americans, by 2012 or "the end of the first term of the next president." He has called "belief in universal health" care one of the "core values" of the Democratic Party. Obama proposes a national health care plan, similar to that available to federal employees, that would allow individuals and businesses to buy health care. The plan would mandate coverage for children but not for adults and would be funded in part by projected revenue from allowing President Bush's tax cuts to expire.

The tort "reform" comment: Gives in to the thieving insurance companies (who consistently cheat their own policy holders as well as the rest of us) so as to let them not pay the full damages suffered. Basically, anyone who buys into this crap is saying that the jury system upon which we and our fore bearers in England have relied upon for centuries is not to be trusted. Yeah, I'd expect George Dubya McCain to support that.

By the way, is there a reason why you changed the subject and did not deal with the specifics I raised? That is a classic Repub ploy. Don't respond to the issue - change the subject.

PENNMTNS · 09-05-2008, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Pixsurguy

The tort "reform" comment: Gives in to the thieving insurance companies (who consistently cheat their own policy holders as well as the rest of us) so as to let them not pay the full damages suffered. Basically, anyone who buys into this crap is saying that the jury system upon which we and our fore bearers in England have relied upon for centuries is not to be trusted. Yeah, I'd expect George Dubya McCain to support that.

By the way, is there a reason why you changed the subject and did not deal with the specifics I raised? That is a classic Repub ploy. Don't respond to the issue - change the subject.

Hmmmm...the vote thingy again....you ask
He is now and has been for more than 20 years a Washington insider and part of the good ol' boy network. If he's such a super and independent hero, why did he vote party line more than 90% of the time? What? He waits until he wants to be President to decide that change is good?
I ask......why didn't odumbo....vote over 80% OF THE VERY LITTLE TIME THAT HE WAS IN OFFICE....SIMPLE...HUH....SKIRT AROUND IT...LMBO

Pixsurguy · 09-05-2008, 05:49 PM

You want to talk about health insurance and health care policy? OK, we can do that.

First of all, it needs to be recognized that, contrary to the nonsense continually spouted by the Repubs, we Americans do NOT have the best health care "system" in the world. We have no "system" at all. In some areas we have the POSSIBILITY of getting superb health care, but that is only theory for most of us. Vast numbers of our citizens have NO realistic ability to obtain even the most minimal health care and NO preventive care at all.

In fact, our country has a worse infant mortality rate than Canada, Great Britain, Germany, France, the Nordic countries, Switzerland, and even some third world countries. Wanna know why? It is because huge numbers of our citizens have no access to affordable health care of any kind whatsoever. The clinics that used to operate to provide much pre-natal care (preventive medicine) and instruction have largely been shut down due to lack of funding. That was not the case until Republics took over the government.

In any event - if you want to know what would actually work, let me suggest to you that you look at the experience of Hawaii in the case of Workers Compensation Insurance. As you may know, the point of workers comp. insurance is to eliminate lawsuits claiming negligence, etc. and to make certain that workers injured on the job receive medical care without worrying about who's fault it was. Every state in the nation has workers comp. laws of one sort or another. Those laws force employers to purchase workers comp insurance from insurance companies. Unfortunately, different states have different rules as to how big the employer has to be, how much coverage must be provided, etc. Also, many different insurance companies issue policies.

Worst of all, probably as many as 35% of all U.S. workers are not covered by viable workers comp. insurance at all. So, when (not if) they are injured, these uninsured workers are out of luck. They are also very likely to be the same people who cannot afford health care insurance. So who gets to pay the bill? Me and you!

Did you know that some 52% of all bankruptcies are directly related to health care expenses of the bankrupt or his family? That is true according to the non-partisan and non-profit American Bankruptcy Institute. I do bankruptcy law and to my horror, I find that more and more and more people are having to file bankruptcy these days, what with cost of living increasing so dramatically. Many who were able to survive but who were right on the edge before, are now doomed financially and bankruptcy is the only out for them. This is a tragedy for them and the nation. In 25 years of practice, I've found that people who file bankruptcy are NOT deadbeats, but would rather take poison than take bankruptcy. They are honest people who desperately want to pay their bills, but due to events often beyond their control, their ability to do so is gone. Of course, some could have exerted better control over their finances and some did foolish things, but most were victims of circumstances that they did not create.

Moving on:

Hawaii some years ago figured out that the price of WC insurance would go way down if the pool of insured workers was larger. So, they mandated that all workers in the state, regardless of the size of the employer would have to be insured. It was also intended that only one or a few insurance companies would be allowed to insure the now very large pool and they would have to submit competitive bids to get in on the business. Net result? ALL Hawaii workers are now covered by WC insurance (unlike the rest of the US) and the cost to the employers is dramatically lower.

Can anyone give me one good reason why that system cannot be applied nationally to health insurance? Obviously it would not be an exact match, but overall it ought to work well. In fact, that is one of the proposals from the Dems. It is not socialized ANYTHING. Private insurance companies do it and make money doing it. All the gov. does is mandate the coverage and the size of the pool.

McCain and the RNC oppose that. Why? Big biz. doesn't want them to do so.

Itsnotgonnaspankitself... · 09-05-2008, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Pixsurguy

The tort "reform" comment: Gives in to the thieving insurance companies (who consistently cheat their own policy holders as well as the rest of us) so as to let them not pay the full damages suffered. Basically, anyone who buys into this crap is saying that the jury system upon which we and our fore bearers in England have relied upon for centuries is not to be trusted. Yeah, I'd expect George Dubya McCain to support that.

By the way, is there a reason why you changed the subject and did not deal with the specifics I raised? That is a classic Repub ploy. Don't respond to the issue - change the subject.

hahaha...yeah, that, and bringing up some false accusations about Bill Clinton...and then settling upon the easy jabs about Monica...

That's definitely not change we can believe in...

09-05-2008, 12:18 PM	#1 (permalink)
Pixsurguy Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 14,314	Short Comments From Obama Re The Repub Convention SHORT COMMENTS FROM OBAMA RE THE REPUB CONVENTION Why would the Republicans spend a whole night of their convention attacking ordinary people? With the nation watching, the Republicans mocked, dismissed, and actually laughed out loud at Americans who engage in community service and organizing. Our convention was different. We gave the stage to everyday Americans who hunger for change and stepped up to make phone calls, knock on doors, and raise money in small amounts in their communities. You may have missed it, but we also showed the country a video with the faces and voices of those organizers, volunteers, and donors from every corner of the country. What you didn't hear from the Republicans at their convention is a single new idea about how to make the healthcare system work, get our economy moving for the middle class, or improve education. Just attacks -- on me, and on you. But what the McCain attack squad doesn't understand is that people like you -- who devote part of their busy lives to organizing and building their communities -- have the power to change this country. With your help, that's exactly what we're going to do. Thank you, Barack

09-05-2008, 03:23 PM	#2 (permalink)
Shkeeptareh Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Texas,the lone star state, the buck stops here, the prarie sky is wide&high,the cows R prime4 tippin Posts: 962	Bullshit....it's everywhere... the republicans openly mocked and berated Barack Obama... and mccain even took some jabs at his own party.. and Palin herself appealed to the normal American family by her statements in her speech...and i liked mccain's because he is unnassuming, there is work involved in everything but there is a BIG difference between running a State and being a community organizer... what is a community organizer... judging by some of his speeches it makes you wonder what he organized... especially considering the fact that a lot of his speeches have quotes in them from Anti-American authors and activists "the world as it is and the world as it should be..." is from a communist work... __________________ [center]I am the Albanian Connection...Hear me roar! Finally 21!

09-05-2008, 05:49 PM	#8 (permalink)
Pixsurguy Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 14,314	You want to talk about health insurance and health care policy? OK, we can do that. First of all, it needs to be recognized that, contrary to the nonsense continually spouted by the Repubs, we Americans do NOT have the best health care "system" in the world. We have no "system" at all. In some areas we have the POSSIBILITY of getting superb health care, but that is only theory for most of us. Vast numbers of our citizens have NO realistic ability to obtain even the most minimal health care and NO preventive care at all. In fact, our country has a worse infant mortality rate than Canada, Great Britain, Germany, France, the Nordic countries, Switzerland, and even some third world countries. Wanna know why? It is because huge numbers of our citizens have no access to affordable health care of any kind whatsoever. The clinics that used to operate to provide much pre-natal care (preventive medicine) and instruction have largely been shut down due to lack of funding. That was not the case until Republics took over the government. In any event - if you want to know what would actually work, let me suggest to you that you look at the experience of Hawaii in the case of Workers Compensation Insurance. As you may know, the point of workers comp. insurance is to eliminate lawsuits claiming negligence, etc. and to make certain that workers injured on the job receive medical care without worrying about who's fault it was. Every state in the nation has workers comp. laws of one sort or another. Those laws force employers to purchase workers comp insurance from insurance companies. Unfortunately, different states have different rules as to how big the employer has to be, how much coverage must be provided, etc. Also, many different insurance companies issue policies. Worst of all, probably as many as 35% of all U.S. workers are not covered by viable workers comp. insurance at all. So, when (not if) they are injured, these uninsured workers are out of luck. They are also very likely to be the same people who cannot afford health care insurance. So who gets to pay the bill? Me and you! Did you know that some 52% of all bankruptcies are directly related to health care expenses of the bankrupt or his family? That is true according to the non-partisan and non-profit American Bankruptcy Institute. I do bankruptcy law and to my horror, I find that more and more and more people are having to file bankruptcy these days, what with cost of living increasing so dramatically. Many who were able to survive but who were right on the edge before, are now doomed financially and bankruptcy is the only out for them. This is a tragedy for them and the nation. In 25 years of practice, I've found that people who file bankruptcy are NOT deadbeats, but would rather take poison than take bankruptcy. They are honest people who desperately want to pay their bills, but due to events often beyond their control, their ability to do so is gone. Of course, some could have exerted better control over their finances and some did foolish things, but most were victims of circumstances that they did not create. Moving on: Hawaii some years ago figured out that the price of WC insurance would go way down if the pool of insured workers was larger. So, they mandated that all workers in the state, regardless of the size of the employer would have to be insured. It was also intended that only one or a few insurance companies would be allowed to insure the now very large pool and they would have to submit competitive bids to get in on the business. Net result? ALL Hawaii workers are now covered by WC insurance (unlike the rest of the US) and the cost to the employers is dramatically lower. Can anyone give me one good reason why that system cannot be applied nationally to health insurance? Obviously it would not be an exact match, but overall it ought to work well. In fact, that is one of the proposals from the Dems. It is not socialized ANYTHING. Private insurance companies do it and make money doing it. All the gov. does is mandate the coverage and the size of the pool. McCain and the RNC oppose that. Why? Big biz. doesn't want them to do so. __________________ Thank you Squirtypoo Why am I in this handbasket and where am I going?

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