Gullible Christians

[essex boy]

The way I understand it in the first place Mary wasn't a Virgin.
That was added later to get the believers of a pagan virgin to fall into place.
It all runs in one line,just as Jesus and the Muslums.
When push comes to shove only one true belief is the Jews

[sexysadie]

lol...I'm not gonna even gonna touch that one..lol

[Patrish]

Originally Posted by Flynn

Sadie

I don't believe in the immaculate conception and I don't believe that the Bible is the actual word of God.

The Christian god is supposedly all powerful,if true, he had no need to put Jesus here in the first place, he could have just willed us to be exactly what he wants, oh, that's right, he gave us free will so we could sin.

Lets not forget that God is into infantaside, he supposedly sent his own son to his death.

When Christianity is explained to me via passages from the Bible, the more I am convinced that the Christian religion is the biggest rort ever perpetrated on humans.

No, He gave us free will so we could return our love to Him.
Puppets don't have love to give.
Jesus IS God and He willingly took on the death and took the punishments due to man so He could remove the filth of satan before man entered into Heaven, leaving us free from sin. [via His forgiveness from a repentent heart]

Care to explain to me what other book has survived as long, written over 6-10,000 years expanse. and containing over 300 prophecies from 40 authors of different eras, all of which were fulfilled.

Coincidence?
Mathematically impossible.

Originally Posted by essex boy

The way I understand it in the first place Mary wasn't a Virgin.
That was added later to get the believers of a pagan virgin to fall into place.
It all runs in one line,just as Jesus and the Muslums.
When push comes to shove only one true belief is the Jews

Eb, seriously, I dont know where you are getting some of the things you say anymore, but this is very erroneous.
I dont have the actual heresy that ever said this, the name i mean, but it probably already existed.

The prophecies in the OT were not pagan, and who she would be - stems from that.

[*Sidenote - gnostic writings in 220 AD showed some tales of Mary {and Jesus and the other Apostles} that were incorrect but then the gnostics liked to take some truths and extend some sort of untruth - but gnostic means 'hidden things' and they believed they could reveal what was never heard of and could not be wrong if they were revealing it...but it's all false]

Remember - Jesus taught the Apostles the actual meanings of the prophecies in the OT. For 40 days - and that was passed down and written about.
AND the ECF's explained them in writing.

Mary was already prophecied;

The gate that no one else could enter through.
The Lord said 'I will enter through this gate and NO man shall enter after Me, I am the Lord Thy God.'

The Ark of the Covenant.
The Ark of the Covenant contained three important covenantal symbols of the coming Lord. The manna [bread from heaven], the staff of Aaron [the Highest Priest], and the Ten Commandments [the Word of God]
TO which all of the Covenants are Jesus in the flesh... and Mary whom carried Him was called the Ark.

Genesis 3:15; I will put enmity between the woman and her seed, and your seed.
Enmity - strictly speaking via Hebrew - means a complete seperation - at war with and permanently apart.
The only one most think is sinless [which is that means didnt partake in taking sin unto themselves] is Jesus but then this fails to recognise the WOMAN AND her Seed would have enmity.
Mary has complete seperation from sin just as her SEED - Jesus.

Read the discussion i had with Anna about 'alma' in Hebrew. Regarding her Virginity.

[Flynn]

Originally Posted by sexysadie

Flynn...I dont know the answers, I've never said that I did, nobody really does. God has his reasons, and I believe that those reasons will become known to us all one day. Until then all he asks from us is to have faith in him. I, for one, don't find that a difficult task.

*God sent his son to death*

and it was Jesus' decision to make. He was human up until a certain moment on that cross. He himself doubted his father...for a brief moment he asked him why he had forsaken him. I believe that God is love...(love Flynn)...what do you find so wrong with that?...why make mockery of that which you do not understand?

I appreciate and I can respect you for questioning all of this....but it's not like it's never been questioned before. You're not the first and you certainly won't be the last to ask those same questions. Like I said, I dont' know the answers, I wish I did, all I know is that I believe in God and I wish that you did as well.

I'm not asking you for money, I'm not asking you to do anything, I'm not asking you to even say it out loud....all I ask is that you look deeply into your heart for the answers, and if you dont find them there then look elsewhere, but please, don't look down on me or mock me for already believing.

God's son was human up until the point that he was nailed to the cross ?

If Jesus was human up till the point of nailing him to the cross then I have to add that in all probability, he died as a human on that cross.

Your comments are an example of how Christians can not agree on the one true story.

[Flynn]

Originally Posted by essex boy

The way I understand it in the first place Mary wasn't a Virgin.
That was added later to get the believers of a pagan virgin to fall into place.
It all runs in one line,just as Jesus and the Muslums.
When push comes to shove only one true belief is the Jews

Essex has also booked his ticket to reside in Hell with the millions of other Non Believers for stating that Mary the mother of Jesus was not a virgin when she conceived and finally gave birth to her son Jesus.

I doubt somehow that Patrish and Horty are going to condemn him to Hell as they have done to me.

[Flynn]

Originally Posted by Patrish

No, He gave us free will so we could return our love to Him.
Puppets don't have love to give.
Jesus IS God and He willingly took on the death and took the punishments due to man so He could remove the filth of satan before man entered into Heaven, leaving us free from sin. [via His forgiveness from a repentent heart]

Care to explain to me what other book has survived as long, written over 6-10,000 years expanse. and containing over 300 prophecies from 40 authors of different eras, all of which were fulfilled.

Coincidence?
Mathematically impossible.
Eb, seriously, I dont know where you are getting some of the things you say anymore, but this is very erroneous.
I dont have the actual heresy that ever said this, the name i mean, but it probably already existed.

The prophecies in the OT were not pagan, and who she would be - stems from that.

[*Sidenote - gnostic writings in 220 AD showed some tales of Mary {and Jesus and the other Apostles} that were incorrect but then the gnostics liked to take some truths and extend some sort of untruth - but gnostic means 'hidden things' and they believed they could reveal what was never heard of and could not be wrong if they were revealing it...but it's all false]

Remember - Jesus taught the Apostles the actual meanings of the prophecies in the OT. For 40 days - and that was passed down and written about.
AND the ECF's explained them in writing.

Mary was already prophecied;

The gate that no one else could enter through.
The Lord said 'I will enter through this gate and NO man shall enter after Me, I am the Lord Thy God.'

The Ark of the Covenant.
The Ark of the Covenant contained three important covenantal symbols of the coming Lord. The manna [bread from heaven], the staff of Aaron [the Highest Priest], and the Ten Commandments [the Word of God]
TO which all of the Covenants are Jesus in the flesh... and Mary whom carried Him was called the Ark.

Genesis 3:15; I will put enmity between the woman and her seed, and your seed.
Enmity - strictly speaking via Hebrew - means a complete seperation - at war with and permanently apart.
The only one most think is sinless [which is that means didnt partake in taking sin unto themselves] is Jesus but then this fails to recognise the WOMAN AND her Seed would have enmity.
Mary has complete seperation from sin just as her SEED - Jesus.

Read the discussion i had with Anna about 'alma' in Hebrew. Regarding her Virginity.

Care to explain how the Bible is the word of god, after all, you posted to say that......


quote patrish

God does not speak to Christians.

[Patrish]

God the Father said He would no longer speak to man.
Jesus on the other hand became man - and as such is able to speak to man [and is called the Word] but He would not contradict Himself nor the Father and suggest anyone kill anyone else. [Anyone can claim they spoke to God - but they didnt if they can claim He asked them to kill]
He said to let them [those who hate us] kill the body because they cannot kill the soul...which will be martyred to Heaven.

AS I SAID [Joe] referred to those who go out and kill because God told them to.
When the fact is - that's a mental condition called schitzophrenia.

Did I condemn you?
You don't need me to think anything - i am not the judge.
I can admonish you - and counsel you on what to avoid, if you ignore that - you have the free will to choose your eternal destination based on what you have been taught.



Jesus is still human. He rose Bodily as the First Resurrection.
IE - He rose from the dead to ascend to Heaven both Body and Divine.
He fulfilled the prophecy of which He would suffer so badly at the hands of men that He would ask 'Why have You forsaken Me..' NOT because He Himself could not free Himself, but because the Will of the Father was a heavy price to pay and they [who crucified Him] held nothing back.

Of course this phrase was just to show the heavy crushing of sin He took upon Himself and proof that He held nothing back for our sakes and that He was indeed 100% man - 100% God. Not allowing Himself to save Himself from the torture He could have and could have been less a severe torture had His Father not allowed it.
But it had to be - and He accepted it perfectly and willingly.

Do you think it was a coincidence that He rose Lazarus just before His death?
For this was a sign that IF HE so choose to use His powers, He could have avoided the Passion and death. It also prooved HE had the power to Rise from death and death had no power over Him - Who controls life and death.

His Passion and death had to be the worst in order to take on the worst of sins.

His humanity given over fully for man - means He knows every sin He took on and every sin that sliced into His seering flesh, every cut, punch, spit, kick, nail, and loss of blood [and the pain in His shoulder as He carried the cross.]

Willing Himself thru sheer human perseverence to die at the appointed time and live long enough to make that climb bleeding profusely and being tortured.

God -AS ONE - prooved His absolute love in the very act that He could save others but would not walk away from taking the punishments due to man and save us from satan who pulled us away from Him to begin with.

THO many times He grieved making man, He made a promise and kept it.
It was for the sake of those whom He knew would return His love or absolutely needed Him to open the gates of Heaven [such as His Mother] that He pushed through it and let it go to God and man as the ultimate sacrifice.

So if you say God doesn't show Himself - or doesn't exist, then obviously the death and pain He endured [and even secular writers admit He lived and died] then there is no way to show you the depth of His mercy and love if you refuse to see Him and what He did for you.

And the Bible is an accurate historical account.
AS is evidenced in archeology.

As for all the other 'religions' - none of them have one continuous line of practice and neither do they have miracles which are permanent signs as proof.

ONE other thot on the variety of religions.
None of them gave anything written to them as instructions from thier gods.
None of them have the love from their gods.
None of them have the hardest doctrines to follow - for 99.99% of all other faiths are according to the desires men would choose. And making them easier to follow than Christianity - which in its purest form is the absolute hardest for mankind to choose to follow because it is purely a self giving religion.

[Patrish]

Adding - some say 'God never existed - there is no proof.'
Yet He is the only God existing and gave His proof through out all ages by preserving His Bible which is a Testament to Him.

Everything is being found 'piece by piece' and eventually the Ten Commandments will be found at the appointed time.

He is going to reveal everything right before the end.

Even if He does show all the proof, still there will be those who deny it - til their last breaths.

eh...that's life.

[hortysir]

some still try to put God in a box....why would he do this?....why didn't He just do that???
It's like an ant trying to figure out what that man-thing was doing stepping on his 3rd cousin....

[sexysadie]

Originally Posted by hortysir

some still try to put God in a box....why would he do this?....why didn't He just do that???
It's like an ant trying to figure out what that man-thing was doing stepping on his 3rd cousin....

Excellent analogy doll!..lol..Damn, I wish I`d have thought of that..