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About CWRC Ministries
Now there are some churches based solely on direct opposition to Catholicism, and this is one of them. Not a large Universal Church that Jesus sent them out to be - 'go out to all nations...' SO can't be the original Church, can it? Thats right, its reformed. Ya know - seriously, I have asked this many times now - when did Jesus say His Church would fail and have to be redone? I am certain it said 'gates of hell shall not prevail.' Did you add CARM in the list too, because i debate alot of folks from there as well. Since this .... Quote:
They believe in predestination [yadda yadda yadda] and pre choosen and no one has free will...etc etc Um, easy to argue against the concepts, but the ppl get down right nasty.  The worst part about this is - they are the type who dont go out and put their lives on the line to preach to the hardest nations, instead their only goal is to convert Catholics.  How original. |
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06-30-2009, 03:18 AM
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Don't rush on our account Trish!, about a Months sleep will do you good, and us. 
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06-30-2009, 10:13 AM
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A top Republican senator has ordered an investigation into the Environmental Protection Agency's alleged suppression of a report that questioned the science behind global warming. The 98-page report, co-authored by EPA analyst Alan Carlin, pushed back on the prospect of regulating gases like carbon dioxide as a way to reduce global warming. Carlin's report argued that the information the EPA was using was out of date, and that even as atmospheric carbon dioxide levels have increased, global temperatures have declined. "He came out with the truth. They don't want the truth at the EPA," Sen. James Inhofe, R-Okla, a global warming skeptic, told FOX News, saying he's ordered an investigation. "We're going to expose it." The controversy comes after the House of Representatives passed a landmark bill to regulate greenhouse gas emissions, one that Inhofe said will be "dead on arrival" in the Senate despite President Obama's energy adviser voicing confidence in the measure. According to internal e-mails that have been made public by the Competitive Enterprise Institute, Carlin's boss told him in March that his material would not be incorporated into a broader EPA finding and ordered Carlin to stop working on the climate change issue. The draft EPA finding released in April lists six greenhouse gases, including carbon dioxide, that the EPA says threaten public health and welfare. Despite the EPA official's remarks, Carlin told FOXNews.com on Monday that his boss, National Center for Environmental Economics Director Al McGartland, appeared to be pressured into reassigning him. Carlin said he doesn't know whether the White House intervened to suppress his report but claimed it's clear "they would not be happy about it if they knew about it," and that McGartland seemed to be feeling pressure from somewhere up the chain of command. Carlin said McGartland told him he had to pull him off the climate change issue. "It was reassigning you or losing my job, and I didn't want to lose my job," Carlin said, paraphrasing what he claimed were McGartland's comments to him. "My inference (was) that he was receiving some sort of higher-level pressure." Carlin said he personally does not think there is a need to regulate carbon dioxide, since "global temperatures are going down." He said his report expressed a "good bit of doubt" on the connection between the two. Specifically, the report noted that global temperatures were on a downward trend over the past 11 years, that scientists do not necessarily believe that storms will become more frequent or more intense due to global warming, and that the theory that temperatures will cause Greenland ice to rapidly melt has been "greatly diminished." Carlin, in a March 16 e-mail, argued that his comments are "valid, significant" and would be critical to the EPA finding. McGartland, though, wrote back the next day saying he had decided not to forward his comments. "The administrator and the administration has decided to move forward on endangerment, and your comments do not help the legal or policy case for this decision," he wrote, according to the e-mails released by CEI. "I can only see one impact of your comments given where we are in the process, and that would be a very negative impact on our office." He later wrote an e-mail urging Carlin to "move on to other issues and subjects." "I don't want you to spend any additional EPA time on climate change. No papers, no research, etc., at least until we see what EPA is going to do with climate," McGartland wrote. The EPA said in a written statement that Carlin's opinions were in fact considered, and that he was not even part of the working group dealing with climate change in the first place. "Claims that this individual's opinions were not considered or studied are entirely false. This administration and this EPA administrator are fully committed to openness, transparency and science-based decision making," the statement said. "The individual in question is not a scientist and was not part of the working group dealing with this issue. Nevertheless the document he submitted was reviewed by his peers and agency scientists, and information from that report was submitted by his manager to those responsible for developing the proposed endangerment finding. In fact, some ideas from that document are included and addressed in the endangerment finding." The e-mail exchanges and suggestions of political interference sparked a backlash from Republicans in Congress. Reps. James Sensenbrenner, R-Wis., and Darrell Issa, R-Calif., also wrote a letter last week to EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson urging the agency to reopen its comment period on the finding. The EPA has since denied the request. Citing the internal e-mails, the Republican congressmen wrote that the EPA was exhibiting an "agency culture set in a predetermined course." "It documents at least one instance in which the public was denied access to significant scientific literature and raises substantial questions about what additional evidence may have been suppressed," they wrote. In a written statement, Issa said the administration is "actively seeking to withhold new data in order to justify a political conclusion." "I'm sure it was very inconvenient for the EPA to consider a study that contradicted the findings it wanted to reach," Sensenbrenner said in a statement, adding that the "repression" of Carlin's report casts doubt on the entire finding. Carlin said he's concerned that he's seeing "science being decided at the presidential level." "Now Mr. Obama is in effect directly or indirectly saying that CO2 causes global temperatures to rise and that we have to do something about it. ... That's normally a scientific judgment and he's in effect judging what the science says," he said. "We need to look at it harder." The controversy is similar to one under the Bush administration -- only the administration was taking the opposite stance. In that case, scientist James Hansen claimed the administration was trying to keep him from speaking out and calling for reductions in greenhouse gases.
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06-30-2009, 10:27 AM
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 The Bible tells us we are not to pray in repetition because after awhile you're thinking about what your going to make for supper instead of the same words you have been droning on about for the last 15 minutes. "But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.:" -Matthew 6:7 If a pope contradicts another pope or the Catholic Church is wrong there is always an excuse. "Oh, he wasn't speaking ex-cathedra." or "That really wasn't doctrine so that mistake didn't count." They just can't admit their WRONG!!! The Catholic Church's "historical accuracy" is exactly what the Catholic Church tells you it is. It is somewhat different to the rest of the world. Roman Catholic History They twist words and events just as they twist scripture, including adding words into and taking words out of other people's writings such as Josephus, the Jewish historian and their of their support of Hitler in Nazi Germany. FRANCIS CLARE CUSACK The nun of Kenmare "The young men who’ will be educated in Roman Catholic colleges, and young women educated by Roman Catholic sisters in coming years, will not be allowed to read any history of the times in which has not been carefully expurgated of those facts which refute Papal Infallibility. If the Roman Church herself denounced and punished the sin of the Priests or of her subjects, there would not be so much cause for blame. But this is far from being the case. Evil is weighed not by its real sinful- ness, but by its effects on the Church. Have we not daily examples of this? Does not the whole world know that the present Duke of Aosta obtained the pope's permission to commit incest for the sum of $5o,ooo? This was at the time a matter of public notoriety? But I doubt if there was one newspaper in the United States of America which would have dared to publish a criticism on this 'Papal permission to sin, such is the power of the Church to protect evil. Public opinion, which is in all governments the great safeguard of liberty, and the great protection of good government is non-existent wherever the Church of Rome has power. The cesspool of evil must not be stirred ; the festering sore must not be probed; and the inevitable result is rottenness and corruption' So ignorant are Roman Catholics of the true history of their own Church, that it comes to them as an overwhelming shock when they first hear that many of the Popes were bad men. They are indignant with their informant ; they will not believe him all of which shows how wise the teachers of their Church are in keeping them in ignorance. And their indignation is equally great when they are shown the plain teaching of the Scripture from their own Bible, which, notwithstanding all the corrections of its translation the Roman Church has given it in this nineteenth century is so plainly Protestant. Surely it is time for people of intelligence to ask themselves what kind of religion is this which depends for its existence on the ignorance of its followers. Why is it, if this religion is Divine, that it fears the light of history of the Bible, or even of everyday facts. If the Church is so sure of her infallibility why does she take so many and even such violent means to prevent her claims from being fairly questioned or canvassed? I was long in the Roman Church before I knew Anything of the evil lives of priests or popes and,I may add, of the priests and the Popes of the present day."
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06-30-2009, 02:36 PM
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Boniface VIII v. Vatican II
Evidently, the inherent contradictions in all of this is completely lost on Patrish. Let us point them out. Boniface VIII Unam Sanctum The Bull of Boniface plainly states that there is no remission of sin outside of the Roman Catholic religion. A valid baptism, according to Rome, forgives original sin. Hence, how can a non Roman baptism be valid since the only valid baptism is one that forgives sin and there is no remission of sin outside of Rome? How can Othodox sacraments be valid if those in the Orthodox religion do not place themselves under the authority of the Pope at Rome? The Bull of Boniface clearly states that submission to the Pope is necessary for salvation. Orthodox sacraments are for salvation. How can they be regarded as valid for salvation by Rome when there is no salvation apart from capitulation to the Pope at Rome? The Orthodox do not submit to the Pope at Rome! Vatican II, Lumen Gentium Finally, those who have not yet received the Gospel are related in various ways to the people of God. In the first place we must recall the people to whom the testament and the promises were given and from whom Christ was born according to the flesh. On account of their fathers this people remains most dear to God, for God does not repent of the gifts He makes nor of the calls He issues. But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator. In the first place amongst these there are the Mohamedans, who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore the one and merciful God, who on the last day will judge mankind. Nor is God far distant from those who in shadows and images seek the unknown God, for it is He who gives to all men life and breath and all things, and as Saviour wills that all men be saved. Those also can attain to salvation who through no fault of their own do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church, yet sincerely seek God and moved by grace strive by their deeds to do His will as it is known to them through the dictates of conscience.” The right way to understand it is to realize that virtually everyone and anyone who is positively related to or involved in one single truth affirmed by the Roman Catholic religion is by default a part of the Roman Catholic religion. If you are an animist, who lives in the jungle but believe in God, you are part of Rome because Rome believes in God. If you are a Christian who does not believe that the Pope is the Vicar of Christ on earth you are nonetheless a part of Rome because you are subject to the teaching of Peter in the New Testament. By extension you become subject to the alleged office of Peter whether you know it, like it or believe it. In short, Shea says there is salvation only in the Roman Catholic religion but not to worry because everyone is (in some sense) in imperfect communion with Rome. If you have a religious bone in your body you are somehow a part of Rome. So forget the fear and threats of unending Hell and perdition if you choose to follow God in another form. He is the father of all, and Christians believe that His assuming all mankind's sins through His atonement, means ALL will be resurrected, not just the bead carriers. Tsalagi
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Just cheering you on old chap.
I am a glutton for punishment i suppose. But i have never been a yes [wo]man
If you dont like the topic, dont bother throwing in barbs that add nothing to the conversation.
