Gullible Christians

[essex boy]

Originally Posted by Flynn

Strange that you thought it necessary to message Horty on this thread rather than just sending him a PM.

You'd already replied,if I done that I'd need to delete your post too

[hortysir]

Originally Posted by sexysadie

I know that we all are entitled to our opinions, so let me get that out there first of all. In following I`d just like to say that my faith is personal, it`s precious and it`s mine, nobody can ever take it away from me no matter how much it`s debated. I am aware of the flooding images being published of Mary or Jesus coming to life on a tree or the side of a buiding or in a doorway etc etc and it used to bother me, until I really thought about it, and tried to make some sense of it.... and I have....these image sitings shouldn`t bother us, instead it should comfort us somewhat to know that even if these images are not authentic, ( and who are we to say they`re not?) people all over the world are showing their faith more and more everyday by just hoping that they are. They have him in their hearts, and they want so much to have him make himself known physically to them, even in the form of a vague and foggy image....I think it`s uplifting, especially in this world we now live in. When I watch the news these days, I can`t help but cringe...war, murder, rape, guns, drugs...and it`s all so difficult to watch or read about...but when I read about or see on the news a story of another image being discovered somewhere in the world ....I am not gullible enough to sell everything I own and travel there just to be close to a place where HE chose to show himself...but I can`t help but feel a kind of comfort, because there are worse things people could be doing.

A very beautiful reply

[Flynn]

Is this another message from God ?

Salami for breakfast ?

Maybe it is God telling them to Go On Diet

The Salami God

quote CBS


A South Florida woman is re-examining her faith. She was in the kitchen cooking a family favorite when letters appeared on the salami in her frying pan. The letters spelled out the word "GOD."

"I had only three pieces in my skillet, and then as I was flipping it. The first letter was a G, a perfect G; and then I got the O, and I thought to myself, how cool will it be if the third letter was a D," said Simoes.

That third letter was a D, and everyone was in shock in her house.

"I can't make this up. You see it. It's there you can see burn marks," said Simoes as she pointed at the plate of sliced Salami. Nancy immediately called her friends.

"I totally believe her 100 percent," said one neighbor. "Me too," said another. For twenty years this South Florida family has fried salami as a breakfast meat. "We ended up all liking it. We just do it. No words come out. No letters. No circles. It's just fried salami," said Natasha Batista, who is the daughter of Simoes.

But whether this is a wake-up call remains to be seen.

"I am Catholic. I believe in God, but I don't practice it. I don't go to church all the time, but I do believe, I do believe there is something out there," said Simoes. Now her biggest issue is deciding how to preserve the Fried Salami.

There is always EBAY of course.

[kipper]

Originally Posted by AutumnRain

I still swear the stone is my granny!

pat come on.. god puts a vision into meatloaf and you call that a miracle?

It must be, as I can't put a fork into my wife's meatloaf.

[kipper]

Originally Posted by squirt

I'd say it's like being alot pregnant lol you don't know if it's a boy or a girl, you don't know if it's gonna have blonde hair or red, you don't know if there'll be blue eyes or brown, but one thing is for sure, it's gonna be a baby! lol

I've used this analogy before, but it just works so well! hubby and I took a trip to Canada, 58 days and 11,500 miles, when retelling the story, we both tell it differently, because we each remember what was important to us, does that mean that one of us or neither of us took the trip? or that one of us is wrong and the other right? the trip was real, and so are our *own* perceptions of it, the only thing that is different is what we remember

Pretty sure you'd both remember you being pregnant though..

[kipper]

Originally Posted by Flynn

I mean to say if God wanted credibility then of course he would send an iconic picture of Mary to a hamburger joint to be witnessed by upstanding citizens in their wrestling costumes.

We debate you here Pat and you lose on a regular basis.

Tell your intellectual friends to come debate us here, they couldn't do any worse than you do !

How can you debate something when there is no proof it ever existed, just some made up novel without an author. It seems to me that any disaster in the world is nothing to do with god, and yet any slight phenomonal event such as the Aurora Borealis is gods work, bit picky ain't he.
And anyone who stands by and watches some thugs hammer nails into their sons hands and feet and does nothing about it, is just bad parenting

[Flynn]

There is a publisher of the Bible, who gets the intellectual rights ?



Is the Bible copywrite protected ?

Title...................Bible

Author.............. Anonymous

[hortysir]

Originally Posted by kipper

How can you debate something when there is no proof it ever existed, just some made up novel without an author. It seems to me that any disaster in the world is nothing to do with god, and yet any slight phenomonal event such as the Aurora Borealis is gods work, bit picky ain't he.
And anyone who stands by and watches some thugs hammer nails into their sons hands and feet and does nothing about it, is just bad parenting

Kip, old chap, there is loads of archeological evidence of plenty of occurances told of in the Bible. i.e, thousnds of infant skeletal remains dating back to the time when Herod ordered the killing of all children under the age of 2, in his attempt to destroy the newborn King.

[Patrish]

Anna, the name Mary is used per the language.
Mary, Marian, Mariam, Marjana, Maria, Marie..etc etc.
Mary is the English translation.
Also i want to add this from a rabbi.

Before Christian theologians who came centuries later translated alma as virgin, the Septuagint, the rabbis’ own translation of the Hebrew Scriptures into Greek, two centuries before Jesus’ arrival on earth, translated Is 7:14 alma into Greek as parthenos, virgin. Why would the rabbis have done that?

The Hebrew word alma, from the root alm, does indeed mean a young woman. During the Old Testament days it meant a very young woman, often too young to bear children. An alma would not likely have been of sexual interest to an elem, a boy at that age, and so was always regarded as a virgin. The same root alm also gives us the Hebrew word alum, hidden, secret, unknown. Moreover, the Torah required that a young woman of marriageable age be a virgin. Deut 22:20 “But if … the tokens of virginity were not found in the young woman, then … the men of her city shall stone her to death.” An alma was apt to be a virgin at the time of her marriage!

Syb, you must have misunderstood about how Mary was conceived. Not by God's Spirit. But she didn't receive the sins of Adam and Eve [Genesis 3:15 means complete seperation from the father of sin] If God wills something, then His Will will be done. He willed the Mother of Himself to be without sin. It's not impossible for Him.

Horty - yep - tons of archeological evidences, including the death of the Egyptian King's son - his first died at the age the Bible tells us from the angel of death during 'Passover.'
Wheels found in the red sea from chariots who drove in after fleeing Jews with Moses.
A wall of Exodus erected in the BC era during the lament of Sion, ie when the Babylonians raided and captured them.
Perfectly formed anamolies lie in the dead sea where soddam and gamorrah once resided. AND upon inspection, apparently had to be tops of buildings.
They found fossils of sea critters in the most arid of the world [which desert was that the Mulah [sp]? well i forget]
They found evidences in every country of a world wide flood. Including where glaciers exist there are holes drilled above where they form where a surge of water drilled it's way to go down.
They found stories on every continent including the Native Americans who tell the story of a great flood, and fossils have been found of sea life on the tops of high mountains.

and this goes on and on...

kip - we cannot see the wind either - but we can see how it effects everything. So God effects everything and we can see it, called creation, because science studies, but it cannot explain how anything just came to be.

Without a soul - a spirit, nothing is animated.
Emotions are part of the soul. Humanity didn't just instinctively come up with emotions. Nor did they just wake up from nothingness and start knowing how to eat or procreate...which always causes me to wonder how beings formed if they came from nothing...this goes for all animals of every species.
Not only do non believers suggest humans were formed out of nothing, but they came in a pair and that animals also did.

I heard of the impossible, but this is frankly beyond impossible.

[Patrish]

HOW we know the birth was different than any other:

Moreover, Hebrew is a concise language in which much is taken from context. Since any young woman could conceive a child in the usual way and name him Immanuel, that would not be a sign from God. However, a virgin birth would be a supernatural event.

Isaiah could have written that a betula would conceive and bear a son. The Hebrew word betula definitely means a virgin. But a betula is a virgin of any age. Up to that time, the sign of a miraculous conception had been an old woman bearing a child. In the Old Testament we find, Gen 17:15 “And God said to Abraham, ‘As for Sarai your wife, you shall not call her name Sarai, but Sarah shall be her name. I will bless her, and moreover I will give you a son by her; I will bless her, and she shall be a mother of nations; kings of peoples shall come from her.” Then Abraham fell on his face and laughed, and said to himself, ‘Shall a child be born to a man who is a hundred years old? Shall Sarah, who is ninety years old, bear a child?’” And in the New Testament, Lk 1:7 “But they had no child, because Elizabeth was barren, and both were advanced in years … But the angel said to him, ‘Do not be afraid, Zechariah, for your prayer is heard, and your wife Elizabeth will bear you a son, and you shall call his name John … And behold, your kinswoman Elizabeth in her old age has also conceived a son; and this is the sixth month with her who was called barren. For with God nothing will be impossible.’”

But, God in His mighty providence willed that the mother of His Son fulfill His warning to Satan after the original sin, Gen 3:15 “I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her seed; he shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heel.” To visibly work at His side, to be associated with Him for all the generations to come, His blessed mother would have to be a very young woman, an alma. And so God, speaking through Isaiah, used the word alma to rule out a miraculous birth to an old woman and point instead to a miraculous birth by a young woman.