Healthcare

[squirt]

I believe they're calling it rationed health care?

[Itsnotgonnaspankitself...]

Originally Posted by Patrish

I have heard that Canadians come to America for immediate care because the waiting list is horrible.

I've heard this too...that for certain surgeries, it's quicker to go to the States (where everything has a price), and pay to have it done...well, I guess *as long as you have the money*, then everything is all good.

I've never had to do this myself, so I really can't say how this all shakes down...maybe you can get the money back afterwards from your insurance company...again, I'm really not sure.

[Patrish]

Originally Posted by Vinnie

The medical profession was dead set against the NHS when they brought it in. Now after some 50 years they are it's biggest supporters...go figure.

Could be the changing of the guard.
After all those years, the ppl coming into the system now do not know what it was like before as a free system.

I have seen really good NHS and shockingly bad but I'd guess that is the same for most health care. The problem with private health care is they do not want to treat the expensive cases. The problem with socialised healthcare is it is expensive and they wanrt to treat everyone the same. How do you compare the life of a small child and that of an elderly person? There is only so much monety to go round in non-socialised healthcare the treatment goes to who can afford it. In socialised systems it goes to who deserves it but who decides who is deserving?

That's the frightening thing, who does deserve it?
Since everyone pays taxes...
Who's money was better paying in?
One wonders if that is the 'defining term'.
Seriously, will grandma pay a lot more in taxes - so she is more deserving?


In America, they are going to implement a counseling session for the elderly every 5 years to ensure they understand and want DNR - or relieve authorities from having to give life saving methods.

What if they are still able to recover?
I mean if grammy gave away her rights to be given treatment, and she is able to have a surgery to fix what ails her, it could come down to...'pull the plug' if the corrupt government has to choose....while meantime she could easily recover.

And we are talking about SSI as well as SS. [younger than 65]
The disabled will be given their 'dnr' options, and if something - anything goes awry - poof.

It comes down to them NOT wanting to put out more than they have to.
The elderly will be severely cut short because of their age.
I dont think i like this mess.

Let's face it - we are all going to get older. WHO says at age 65 we won't want to live anymore??
What a horrible situation to put the elderly in.

Originally Posted by Itsnotgonnaspankitself...

I've heard this too...that for certain surgeries, it's quicker to go to the States (where everything has a price), and pay to have it done...well, I guess *as long as you have the money*, then everything is all good.

I've never had to do this myself, so I really can't say how this all shakes down...maybe you can get the money back afterwards from your insurance company...again, I'm really not sure.

I don't know, someone from Canada who came to America could tell us.

[essex boy]

Originally Posted by Itsnotgonnaspankitself...

I've heard this too...that for certain surgeries, it's quicker to go to the States (where everything has a price), and pay to have it done...well, I guess *as long as you have the money*, then everything is all good.

I've never had to do this myself, so I really can't say how this all shakes down...maybe you can get the money back afterwards from your insurance company...again, I'm really not sure.

True,same here,some pay to go to countries where they can get whatever they wish done for a price.
Take the 75 yr old woman wanting a baby..no prob..pay up and it will be done.
I'd rather be in a country where everyone can get free healthcare and the Insurance companies/private healthcare companies ain't treated like Gods.

[hortysir]

Did not know this!!!!!
Whichever side of this issue you support, contact your Senators and let them know where you stand on this key element:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


As you know, Congress is pushing for national healthcare coverage that includes mandatory coverage for abortions. As a result, abortion would be considered a ''health benefit'' in both government and private insurance plans ... that's EVERY health insurance plan in America, including YOURS.

This is reprehensible! REMOVE abortion services from mandatory coverage. And we need you to take action by getting personally involved!

Decisions about this issue in the coming weeks are essential to the future of the pro-life movement - and, more importantly, the millions of unborn babies killed as a result of any insurance-covered abortion.

So make your voice heard today. Without a specific exemption, abortion will be a part of mandatory coverage under universal healthcare.

[essex boy]

Same here,Abortions are part of the healthcare.
Plastic surgery ie breast inplants could be too but the doctor has to consider that the patients life would be dramatically improved.
I should imagine that would mean a underlying mental health problem which results in the patient being unstable because she feels her breast are inferier to other women.

[hortysir]

or as a job requirement to work at Hooters?!!

[Itsnotgonnaspankitself...]

Originally Posted by hortysir

Did not know this!!!!!
Whichever side of this issue you support, contact your Senators and let them know where you stand on this key element:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


As you know, Congress is pushing for national healthcare coverage that includes mandatory coverage for abortions. As a result, abortion would be considered a ''health benefit'' in both government and private insurance plans ... that's EVERY health insurance plan in America, including YOURS.

This is reprehensible! REMOVE abortion services from mandatory coverage. And we need you to take action by getting personally involved!

Decisions about this issue in the coming weeks are essential to the future of the pro-life movement - and, more importantly, the millions of unborn babies killed as a result of any insurance-covered abortion.

So make your voice heard today. Without a specific exemption, abortion will be a part of mandatory coverage under universal healthcare.

On the other hand, that could mean millions of would-be single teenaged moms in America actually might finish high school, and maybe even go on to college or university...

Then, who knows...maybe go on to become a doctor, lawyer, or if they have no scruples, a politician...

[hortysir]

If more of them would take into consideration those exact consequences of having unprotected sex, we wouldn't have the problem we do now.
But, as I said, whichever way someone feels about abortion they need to let their senators know.
If they think that abortion should be covered, they should say so.
Beacuse I've already called Bill Nelson's and Mel Martinez's offices and let them know where I stand.
(now if we could just get our representatives to represent the majority of their constituents' wishes....)

[Itsnotgonnaspankitself...]

Originally Posted by hortysir

If more of them would take into consideration those exact consequences of having unprotected sex, we wouldn't have the problem we do now.
But, as I said, whichever way someone feels about abortion they need to let their senators know.
If they think that abortion should be covered, they should say so.
Beacuse I've already called Bill Nelson's and Mel Martinez's offices and let them know where I stand.
(now if we could just get our representatives to represent the majority of their constituents' wishes....)

haha...and you know, this is why I love being a guy.

I am free to have tons of unprotected sex, and spread my seed around freely...then, if any of the chicks get pregnant, THEY get judged harshly by the bible thumpers, while I am free to go bag more young broads!!

hahaha...it really is a man's world, gawd bless it.