Healthcare

[hortysir]

House Health Care Reform Bill

Section 440, HR 3200

"Home visitation programs for families with young children and families expecting children - Would provide grants to states to establish home visitation programs to educate parents on child behavior and parenting skills."

WTF???!!!!

Federal money given to the state for someone to come to our house and teach us how to raise our kids!!!!!!!!



Maybe the George we should have listened to was Orwell.....

[hortysir]

Just a quick cartoon to ease the pain of letting the air outta lotta people's balloons.
You're not getting free healthcare anytime soon, folks!!!!

Here you can downlaod the entire 1,018 page bill from this link and read it for yourself:

http://energycommerce.house.gov/Pres...0714/aahca.pdf

On page 14 you will find this little nugget:

(25) Y1, Y2, ETC..—The terms ‘‘Y1’’ , ‘‘Y2’’,
‘‘Y3’’, ‘‘Y4’’, ‘‘Y5’’, and similar subsequently numbered terms, mean 2013 and subsequent years, respectively.

LMAO!! Year 1, Year 2, 3, 4, 5, etc!!!!
Not starting until 2013....Obama's term is up in 2012. Americans will have to either elect somebody to be saddled with this dead albatross and figure out a way to manage it without colapsing around us....OR re-elect Obama

[Tsalagi]

Yesterday, on MSNBC, Republican Conference Chairman Rep. Mike Pence (Ind.) went on the air with Carlos Watson to discuss the House's health care reform bill. Pence used the occasion to do what he's done in the past: straight up make stuff up! On this occasion, Pence attempted to peddle some phony CBO figures:

PENCE: We don't need this administration and House Democrats, even with the changes that have been negotiated in their deal, are intent on doing, and that is launching a massive, new, government-run insurance plan that will [mean] literally nearly a trillion dollars in higher taxes at the outset...
Watson jumped on the remark rather quickly, saying, "Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa ... unless you're looking at different data than I'm looking at, I don't remember there being a trillion dollars in new taxes." Asked to clarify his statement, Pence averred, "Yeah, I'm rounding up," later offering a $800 billion price tag.

This is an awesome and magical job of rounding up he's doing! Via ThinkProgress:

In fact, the CBO's preliminary estimate of the House bill said that its entire cost would be just over $1 trillion over 10 years. $540 billion of that (i.e. not $800 billion or $1 trillion) would be paid for with new taxes on the rich affecting just 1.2 percent of U.S. households. The rest of the bill would be fully offset by savings in Medicare and other health systems.
So, Pence "rounds up" $540 billion to $1 trillion -- or maybe $800 billion? That's a wonderfully precise way of looking at the numbers! By that logic, the House need only find a way to drop that $540 billion line item by fifty billion or so ... Mike Pence would be forced to round the cost down to nothing!

Of course, the greater feat of magical mathematics is the way Pence takes the 1.2 percent of U.S. households that will be affected by the proposed surtax and, by implication, rounds it all the way up to "everybody."

T

[hortysir]

Because, when you raise the taxes of the "rich", it does effect everybody,,,,

[hortysir]

Is Pence the same guy that came out yesterday griping about the time limit that "Democrats are forcing on us", when 2 days before he had stated that "we're going to get this done regardless of how many long days we have to pull" ??
Anyhoos....
Since I have Tsalagi here with me, I'll pose this question.
How is government run health care working out for our Native American friends?

[konifur2]

a lot of people complain about the NHS in the UK.but in general i think it`s brilliant.

[Tsalagi]

Originally Posted by hortysir

Is Pence the same guy that came out yesterday griping about the time limit that "Democrats are forcing on us", when 2 days before he had stated that "we're going to get this done regardless of how many long days we have to pull" ??
Anyhoos....
Since I have Tsalagi here with me, I'll pose this question.
How is government run health care working out for our Native American friends?

It's like rural health care run by the private sector.
The trophy wives don't want to live in the boonies, with no parties, night life, or "society". Their husbands can't belong to a swank country club and make $500,00 a year, so they opt out on the Hippocratic Oath and congregate where the money is, cosmetic surgery, "fat doctoring", prescribing pills for hypochondriacs.

On the rez are the almost disbarred, the alcoholics, the incompetents who can't get liability insurance, etc.

Between them and the ones who sterilize child-bearing age women, the population is being kept in check very well.

At least there is traditional medicine that doesn't require FDA approval.

T

[hortysir]

At least there is traditional medicine that doesn't require FDA approval.

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That could prove to be an enlightening explaination

[Tsalagi]

We survived and prospered for thousands of years without the AMA "drug, cut, or psychoalanyze" medicine men.

We had our own, and they made house calls, too.

T

[hortysir]

OH!! Ok, gotcha....
Traditional is a relative term, I guess!!

Traditional to you would be considered "experimental" to my PPO