Ban the Burqa

[Flynn]

I've listened to several women explain why they wear traditional Muslim clothing, modesty seems to be the main reason some say it is because they want to dress like the wives of Muhammad.

In countries that are predominantly Muslim, men wear cool white robes and their wives wears restrictive heat seeking BLACK cloth. It's almost like parts of the animal kingdom where the males have pretty plumage and the females are a drab fawn or grey colour.

Western societies may have taken personal freedoms too far in some cases but if sections of our communities don't like our way of life then they should consider immigrating to a country that has the values they want to live with.

In 2004 the french government banned the use of the Burqa and Hijab from being worn in schools and government offices now they want to ban their use outside of the privacy of the family home.

The population of france is sixty million and five million of those are Muslims. President Sarkozy is said to be reinstating traditional French values by introducing a complete social ban on the Burqa and Hijab.


quote AAP

A group of 58 French MPs are asking for a parliamentary panel to look at ways to curb the wearing of the burka or niqab, which they describe as a "prison" and "degrading" for women and contrary to French secular principles.

THE French government was split on Friday over whether a law should be enacted to restrict the wearing of the full Islamic veil by Muslim women in Europe's most staunchly secular country.
A group of lawmakers is calling for a special inquiry into whether women who wear the burka or the niqab undermine French secularism and women's rights.

The government's spokesman welcomed the proposal for a parliamentary commission that could lead to legislation, but Immigration Minister Eric Besson warned a law would stir tensions in France, home to some five million Muslims.

Communist MP Andre Gerin is spearheading the drive for a parliamentary panel that would look at ways to restrict the burka which he describes as a 'prison' and 'degrading' for women.

The deputy is also mayor of the southern city of Venissieux, home to a large north African immigrant population, where he says the sight of covered women is not a rare occurrence.

'If it were determined that wearing the burka is a submissive act, and that it is contrary to republican principles, well naturally parliament would have to drawn the necessary conclusions,' said government spokesman Luc Chatel.

Asked whether that would mean introducing legislation, he said, 'why not.' Home to Europe's largest Muslim minority, France passed a controversial law in 2004 forbidding girls from wearing veils in state schools as part of the government's drive to defend secularism.

Mr Besson, a former Socialist, came out against new legislation on Islamic dress, saying France had already gone far enough in imposing restrictions on wearing veils in government offices and schools.

'We need to counter the wearing of the burka with education and dialogue. A law would be inefficient and create tensions that we don't need at this time,' Mr Besson told Europe 1 radio.

The proposal has won support from many politicians from both the left and right including urban affairs minister Fadela Amara, who was born to Algerian immigrants and is an outspoken advocate for Muslim women's rights.



quote AAP


LONDON: In a bid to hit back at French President Nicolas Sarkozy’s attempts to ban the burqa in the country , hardline Islamic cleric Anjem Choudary
has branded his wife Carla Bruni a prostitute.

While addressing Parliament recently, Sarkozy had said that wearing the burqa was not welcome in France, sparking strong reactions from Muslim communities around the world.

Choudary has said that former model and singer Bruni, 41, represents the face of a depraved Western society where women are treated like sex objects.

Writing on the Islam4UK website, Chaudary claimed that Muslims were not shallow to treat their women like the French president.

“Sarkozy may be content with being wed to a prostitute who flaunts her body to the world believing it to be righteous conduct, but he is reminded that a Muslim is not this shallow and depraved,” the Daily Star quoted him as saying.

[Tsalagi]

I don't basically disagree with your premise, as far as concealing the identity of the individual. I would ban the wearing of a ski mask if the temperature is 30 C.

But where does the "slippery slope" wind up going too far?

A Jewish man wearing a yarmulke?

An Indian wearing a turban?

A Scot wearing a kilt?

Tsalagi

[stevent222]

Do you really realize how stupid this sounds?

P.S. JUST WONDERING.

[essex boy]

I saw the news today of people suffering from the heat,ambulances called to cool them down.
One was a muslim woman dressed head to toe in cloth,not surprised she suffered from sunstroke.

[squirt]

I cannot imagine spending my life in one of those things lol but that's my choice ... as long as the women choose to do so, that's one thing, but if they're being forced to wear them, it's quite another!

[stevent222]

Originally Posted by essex boy

I saw the news today of people suffering from the heat,ambulances called to cool them down.
One was a muslim woman dressed head to toe in cloth,not surprised she suffered from sunstroke.

Essex Boy I am a realist and whom ever whats to dress that way let them just to bad that they have an opion and do not see it.

[Flynn]

The Burqa or Hijab probably had a practical use at some point in history but God did not ordain that women should should wear those garments.

I understand Squirt's point of view about choice but looking at it relistically females born into a society like that have no choice. I have not seen any non Muslim women adopt the Burqa as a fashion statement.


As Essex points out, Muslim women in the UK are suffering heat stroke in the current heat wave conditions by wearing heavy black garments. Muslim men in the UK are not under any religious instruction to wear traditional clothing in public places.

The tangent that T. is trying to run off at is just not relevant.

Maybe T. can draw a long bow on the issue that some members of the military, etc. are forced to wear a kilt or an Indian can hide a weapon in a turban or Jew is hiding money under a skull cap, point is, they will not be hiding their identity and they have or had a choice to walk away from the traditions of their CLAN.

The examples he used are not chauvenistic or misogynistic in their nature like the Muslim Burqa is.

Steven pleased you dropped by, it's too bad that in a Muslim society where women are subjugated by men that they will never know that their individual life should and could be different.

It's all about choices and some people have no choice at all.

[Tsalagi]

If you will check back, I was agreeing with you.

Florida has gone to the point of making Muslim women get their Driver's License photos bareheaded.

The other issue is that terrorists could easily put on a burqa and conceal themselves until they were ready to set off the explosives.

I was stating that when some freedoms are removed by a government, where will the line be drawn next month?

Tsalagi

[Flynn]

" I don't basically disagree " is not a statement of total agreement and I stand by my comment that your post is basically irrelevant to the discussion for the reasons I have already outlined.

Banning the use of the Burqa is more a statement about the emancipation of women through religion than it is about terrorists or car driving licences.

[AutumnRain]

I do not think it should be banned over all.. but in work places etc it needs to be toned down.. most communication is done by face, and if you cannot see another persons face how do you know what to say etc?

I read a book about a young girl in Afghanistan who was forced into marriage and her husband forced her to wear a burqa..it opened my eyes a bit because she mentioned how safe she felt behind it, how she felt she could be herself and no one could comment on her appearance..