Taliban in Afghanistan??

hortysir · 10-09-2009, 12:27 PM

Recently, Obama has proposed allowing the Taliban "a role in Afghanistan's government".
What role would you like them to have?
I can see a place for them as a sort of 'party'.
The Taliban are ultra-traditional conservative Shi'ite Muslims. And, in their country, they have a constituency. (sort of Afghanistan's "right-wing religious zealots")
In a 2 (or 3)-party system, they would be represntative of a good portion of Afghan citizens.
I know the history of it all. I know we put them in power after helping them against Russia. I know the Taliban, as a governing authority, provided safe-haven to AlQuada.
I want to know how you feel about their role in the FUTURE of Afghanistan.

LilMissPurrfect · 10-09-2009, 04:02 PM

The Taliban are not at all Shi'ite muslims, on the contrary they are very Anti-Shi'ite!

hortysir · 10-09-2009, 04:06 PM

Maybe I mis-heard. But I thought I heard the report as being very 'fundamental' in their beliefs...

LilMissPurrfect · 10-09-2009, 04:30 PM

Being very 'fundamental' doesn't immediately make them shi'ite.

They are sunni muslims just like AlQuada.

They hate shi'ite muslims thats also why back in Iraq most deaths caused by car bombs where shi'ite.

But back on topic....do i think they should have a role in the Afghan goverment. My democracy "side"says yes.....but my heart says NO!!

Most talibs are not afghan they are from pakistan and mostafghans that did join the taliban never went to any school. The taliban paid them money to join.

hortysir · 10-09-2009, 04:34 PM

My apologies for confusing the two sects.
And I agree with you about being undecided.

Itsnotgonnaspankitself... · 10-11-2009, 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hortysir

Recently, Obama has proposed allowing the Taliban "a role in Afghanistan's government".
What role would you like them to have?
I can see a place for them as a sort of 'party'.
The Taliban are ultra-traditional conservative Shi'ite Muslims. And, in their country, they have a constituency. (sort of Afghanistan's "right-wing religious zealots")
In a 2 (or 3)-party system, they would be represntative of a good portion of Afghan citizens.
I know the history of it all. I know we put them in power after helping them against Russia. I know the Taliban, as a governing authority, provided safe-haven to AlQuada.
I want to know how you feel about their role in the FUTURE of Afghanistan.

Why is Obama 'allowing' anything in any other country than America...?

That would like Canada saying we allow you Americans to have guns.

anna_hun · 10-12-2009, 06:32 AM

taliban..means students
and is a Sunni Islamist.
Active September 1994

Ideology Islamic fundamentalism and
Pashtun nationalism

Leaders Mullah Mohammed Omar
Mullah Obaidullah Akhund

Area ofoperations Afghanistan and Pakistan

Allies Al-Qaeda
Hezb-e-Islami Gulbuddin
Islamic Emirate of Waziristan
Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan

anna_hun · 10-12-2009, 06:37 AM

Opium
Opium poppies have traditionally been grown in Afghanistan,
and, with the war shattering other sectors of the economy,
opium became the number one export of the country.

The Taliban have provided an Islamic sanction for farmers ...
to grow even more opium, even though the Koran forbids Muslims from producing or imbibing intoxicants.
Abdul Rashid, the head of the Taliban's anti-drugs control force in Kandahar, spelled out the nature of his unique job. He is authorized to impose a strict ban on the growing of hashish, "because it is consumed by Afghans and Muslims."
But, Rashid told me without a hint of sarcasm,
"Opium is permissible because it is consumed by kafirs in the West
and not by Muslims or Afghans."[61]

But in 2000 the Taliban banned opium production,
a first in Afghan history. In 2000, Afghanistan's opium production still accounted for 75% of the world's supply.
On 27 July 2000, the Taliban again issued a decree banning opium poppy cultivation. According to opioids.com, by February 2001,
production had been reduced from 12,600 acres (51 km2) to only 17 acres (7 ha).[62] When the Taliban entered north Waziristan in 2003 they immediately banned poppy cultivation and punished those who sold it.[citation needed]

Another source claims opium production was cut back by the Taliban not to prevent its use but to shore up its price, and thus increase the income of poppy farmers and revenue of Afghan tax collectors.[63]

The official verdict of the Taliban however was otherwise. Mullah Amir Mohammed Haqqani, the Taliban's top drug official in Nangarhar, said the ban would remain regardless of whether the Taliban received aid or international recognition. "It is our decree that there will be no poppy cultivation. It is banned forever in this country," he said. "Whether we get assistance or not, poppy growing will never be allowed again in our country."[62]

However, with the 2001 US/Northern Alliance expulsion of the Taliban, opium cultivation has increased in the southern provinces liberated from the Taliban control,[64] and by 2005 production was 87% of the world's opium supply,[65] rising to 90% in 2006.[66]

Hashemi also detailed this in his March 2001 lecture in California.[67]

anna_hun · 10-12-2009, 06:41 AM

I dont know horty..but something needs to be done...
and talks mite be better then just sending our troops for almost a decade now...

mazbut · 10-12-2009, 08:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by anna_hun

I dont know horty..but something needs to be done...
and talks mite be better then just sending our troops for almost a decade now...

I agree with Anna....
War is not the solution to peace....
Day before yesterday a handful of Talibans attacked Pakistan's military GHQ in the capital and killed one brigadier, one colonel and several others. Just now TV announced 3 of the injured soldiers ( probably Commando's) had died.

Talibans are NOT Shiites like the Iranese--in fact they are Wahabis--a Sunni sect prevailing in Saudia. Wahabis are Orthodox Muslims and are bent to go by the Book. They are a totally tribal people living in most difficult terrains with nothing to do but to plant opium and 'trade' in contraband. They were NOT bound by the governments writ---they have their own tribal laws mixed with religion. Poor and martial as they are They have nothing to lose.....
US should try to bring social and educational reform in their areas through peaceful means.........WAR is not going to pay off

10-09-2009, 12:27 PM	#1 (permalink)
hortysir Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: South...Thank God! Posts: 19,853 Rep Power: 3634	Taliban in Afghanistan?? *Recently, Obama has proposed allowing the Taliban "a role in Afghanistan's government".* *What role would you like them to have?* *I can see a place for them as a sort of 'party'.* *The Taliban are ultra-traditional conservative Shi'ite Muslims. And, in their country, they have a constituency. (sort of Afghanistan's "right-wing religious zealots")* *In a 2 (or 3)-party system, they would be represntative of a good portion of Afghan citizens.* *I know the history of it all. I know we put them in power after helping them against Russia. I know the Taliban, as a governing authority, provided safe-haven to AlQuada.* *I want to know how you feel about their role in the FUTURE of Afghanistan.*

10-09-2009, 04:02 PM	#2 (permalink)
LilMissPurrfect Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: In my own little happy world Posts: 5,300 Rep Power: 1077	The Taliban are not at all Shi'ite muslims, on the contrary they are very Anti-Shi'ite! __________________ *Perfect Imperfection!* what's a nice girl like me doing in a place like this?

10-09-2009, 04:30 PM	#4 (permalink)
LilMissPurrfect Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: In my own little happy world Posts: 5,300 Rep Power: 1077	Being very 'fundamental' doesn't immediately make them shi'ite. They are sunni muslims just like AlQuada. They hate shi'ite muslims thats also why back in Iraq most deaths caused by car bombs where shi'ite. But back on topic....do i think they should have a role in the Afghan goverment. My democracy "side"says yes.....but my heart says NO!! Most talibs are not afghan they are from pakistan and mostafghans that did join the taliban never went to any school. The taliban paid them money to join. __________________ *Perfect Imperfection!* what's a nice girl like me doing in a place like this?

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10-09-2009, 04:06 PM	#3 (permalink)
hortysir Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: South...Thank God! Posts: 19,853 Rep Power: 3634	Maybe I mis-heard. But I thought I heard the report as being very 'fundamental' in their beliefs...

10-09-2009, 04:34 PM	#5 (permalink)
hortysir Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: South...Thank God! Posts: 19,853 Rep Power: 3634	My apologies for confusing the two sects. And I agree with you about being undecided.

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anna_hun Jokaroo VIP Status Join Date: May 2004 Location: In my own world, but its ok, they know me here! Posts: 50,872 Rep Power: 5326	taliban..means students and is a Sunni Islamist. Active September 1994 Ideology Islamic fundamentalism and Pashtun nationalism Leaders Mullah Mohammed Omar Mullah Obaidullah Akhund Area ofoperations Afghanistan and Pakistan Allies Al-Qaeda Hezb-e-Islami Gulbuddin Islamic Emirate of Waziristan Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan

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anna_hun Jokaroo VIP Status Join Date: May 2004 Location: In my own world, but its ok, they know me here! Posts: 50,872 Rep Power: 5326	Opium Opium poppies have traditionally been grown in Afghanistan, and, with the war shattering other sectors of the economy, opium became the number one export of the country. The Taliban have provided an Islamic sanction for farmers ... to grow even more opium, even though the Koran forbids Muslims from producing or imbibing intoxicants. Abdul Rashid, the head of the Taliban's anti-drugs control force in Kandahar, spelled out the nature of his unique job. He is authorized to impose a strict ban on the growing of hashish, "because it is consumed by Afghans and Muslims." But, Rashid told me without a hint of sarcasm, "Opium is permissible because it is consumed by kafirs in the West and not by Muslims or Afghans."[61] But in 2000 the Taliban banned opium production, a first in Afghan history. In 2000, Afghanistan's opium production still accounted for 75% of the world's supply. On 27 July 2000, the Taliban again issued a decree banning opium poppy cultivation. According to opioids.com, by February 2001, production had been reduced from 12,600 acres (51 km2) to only 17 acres (7 ha).[62] When the Taliban entered north Waziristan in 2003 they immediately banned poppy cultivation and punished those who sold it.[citation needed] Another source claims opium production was cut back by the Taliban not to prevent its use but to shore up its price, and thus increase the income of poppy farmers and revenue of Afghan tax collectors.[63] The official verdict of the Taliban however was otherwise. Mullah Amir Mohammed Haqqani, the Taliban's top drug official in Nangarhar, said the ban would remain regardless of whether the Taliban received aid or international recognition. "It is our decree that there will be no poppy cultivation. It is banned forever in this country," he said. "Whether we get assistance or not, poppy growing will never be allowed again in our country."[62] However, with the 2001 US/Northern Alliance expulsion of the Taliban, opium cultivation has increased in the southern provinces liberated from the Taliban control,[64] and by 2005 production was 87% of the world's opium supply,[65] rising to 90% in 2006.[66] Hashemi also detailed this in his March 2001 lecture in California.[67]

10-12-2009, 06:41 AM	#9 (permalink)
anna_hun Jokaroo VIP Status Join Date: May 2004 Location: In my own world, but its ok, they know me here! Posts: 50,872 Rep Power: 5326	I dont know horty..but something needs to be done... and talks mite be better then just sending our troops for almost a decade now...