Discrimination in employment

Vinnie · 10-15-2009, 03:15 PM

Recently I was listening to a radio debate on autistic people in the workplace. The debate centred round what at it would be reasonable for an employer to be required to teach to label people suffering from an autistic spectrum disorder to be employed. This got me thinking what is it that the benefit from when we take steps to employ those who suffer from challenging circumstances.
Throughout the debate it's concentrated on what disabled people could not do rather than what they could do and indeed what they could bring to any business.
This for me was encapsulated by the telephoned in question from an employer who asked why he should employ a person with personality disorders when there were other people available to fill the spaces. The answer is he received revolved around the fact that autism is not a personality disorder. This did not to my mind utilise the main argument for employing a person who suffers with an autistic spectrum disorder which is that in taking the chance on employing such a person you may very well end up with a truly excellent employee. This argument is an economic one which may be extended to many other areas. For instance if you take to businesses which are equal in every way and one refuses to employ people with brown eyes while the other makes no such discrimination, the discriminatory business will suffer in the long run as it does not make best use of its assets.
It is such an argument that I believe should be the basis of anti-discriminationary legislation. It is to the economic advantage that we should look rather than the social needs of those members of society who need help. If it is possible to make such members of society independent then this is a great gain for the rest of society.

stevent222 · 10-15-2009, 03:26 PM

I know autistic spectrum disorder very well Vinnie from working at a hospital. And that would depend upon what type of job the autistic is applying for.

Vinnie · 10-15-2009, 03:30 PM

And the level of autism as well. But I'd like to exend the analagy beyond the levels of Autism. It is not hat the person can or cannot do that should be a function for the employer but what value that person could bring.

Flynn · 10-15-2009, 04:29 PM

Able bodied people first.....the rest should make their own arrangements or their carers should do it for them.

Vinnie · 10-15-2009, 04:37 PM

Able bodied and able minded? Would you dismiss a potential employee solely on the basis of a mental impairment/difference or would you wish to see if they could do the job first?

**squirt** · 10-15-2009, 04:51 PM

alot of austistic people are highly intelligent, alot depends on the task involved and the individual ... just like any other applicant, you never know what a person is truly capable of until you give them the chance to show you

hortysir · 10-15-2009, 05:12 PM

As an employer, I'd have to consider their potential to be productive.
We have hired our dishwashers from our local A.R.C. for years (association of retarded citizens), and have has good results. They get screened by the assoc. and are evaluted on a regular basis at the restaurant that we have to report to the assoc.
Not to sound mean...but they're very productive and inexpesive as most of their living arrangements are taken care of..so I don't have to hear "my kid needs braces...I need a raise".
Let the attacks begin.........

Vinnie · 10-15-2009, 05:20 PM

Well you asked... it's rediculous that braces are not supplied on the NHS!

Flynn · 10-16-2009, 04:46 AM

In the current economic climate I wouldn't consider employing anyone unless they had tertiary or trade qualifications and a proven employment history.

I donate to charities from home, my business enables me to do that. If I employed under achievers of any sort it would affect my financial bottom line.

In ideal world

Employers with a work force of ten.

One person would keep the employment and OH&S records.

Three people would do the work.

Three mentally or physically challenged people would be employed.

and

Three careers would be employed to assist the physically and mentally challenged “ clients “ who got the job placements in front of able bodied people.

AutumnRain · 10-16-2009, 05:46 AM

ive been turned down for jobs because..... wait for it....... I'm not a man!.. im not kidding
my mate who is trying to work, learn the language etc is frustrated because she cannot even get a simple cleaning job because she cannot speak the language!..1 job said danish or english required.. shes english and failed to get the job cos she couldnt speak danish.. another one they actually took someone with physical disabilities rather than her.. all down to language..

discrimination is living large in denmark

10-15-2009, 03:15 PM	#1 (permalink)
Vinnie Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 7,167 Blog Entries: 6 Rep Power: 1348	Discrimination in employment Recently I was listening to a radio debate on autistic people in the workplace. The debate centred round what at it would be reasonable for an employer to be required to teach to label people suffering from an autistic spectrum disorder to be employed. This got me thinking what is it that the benefit from when we take steps to employ those who suffer from challenging circumstances. Throughout the debate it's concentrated on what disabled people could not do rather than what they could do and indeed what they could bring to any business. This for me was encapsulated by the telephoned in question from an employer who asked why he should employ a person with personality disorders when there were other people available to fill the spaces. The answer is he received revolved around the fact that autism is not a personality disorder. This did not to my mind utilise the main argument for employing a person who suffers with an autistic spectrum disorder which is that in taking the chance on employing such a person you may very well end up with a truly excellent employee. This argument is an economic one which may be extended to many other areas. For instance if you take to businesses which are equal in every way and one refuses to employ people with brown eyes while the other makes no such discrimination, the discriminatory business will suffer in the long run as it does not make best use of its assets. It is such an argument that I believe should be the basis of anti-discriminationary legislation. It is to the economic advantage that we should look rather than the social needs of those members of society who need help. If it is possible to make such members of society independent then this is a great gain for the rest of society. __________________

10-15-2009, 04:37 PM	#5 (permalink)
Vinnie Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 7,167 Blog Entries: 6 Rep Power: 1348	Able bodied and able minded? Would you dismiss a potential employee solely on the basis of a mental impairment/difference or would you wish to see if they could do the job first? __________________

10-16-2009, 05:46 AM	#10 (permalink)
AutumnRain Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: VestJylland Posts: 3,540 Rep Power: 1348	ive been turned down for jobs because..... wait for it....... I'm not a man!.. im not kidding my mate who is trying to work, learn the language etc is frustrated because she cannot even get a simple cleaning job because she cannot speak the language!..1 job said danish or english required.. shes english and failed to get the job cos she couldnt speak danish.. another one they actually took someone with physical disabilities rather than her.. all down to language.. discrimination is living large in denmark __________________ could it be I'm falling in love

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10-15-2009, 03:26 PM	#2 (permalink)
stevent222 Jokaroo Enthusiast Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Hemet, CA. 92544 zip Posts: 30,358 Blog Entries: 11 Rep Power: 3005	I know autistic spectrum disorder very well Vinnie from working at a hospital. And that would depend upon what type of job the autistic is applying for.

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Vinnie Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 7,167 Blog Entries: 6 Rep Power: 1348	And the level of autism as well. But I'd like to exend the analagy beyond the levels of Autism. It is not hat the person can or cannot do that should be a function for the employer but what value that person could bring.

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Flynn Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: The Austrlaian Capital Territory, Canberra, Flynn 2615 Posts: 6,620 Blog Entries: 18 Rep Power: 1049	Able bodied people first.....the rest should make their own arrangements or their carers should do it for them.

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squirt Super Moderator Join Date: May 2004 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 355,993 Rep Power: 8572	alot of austistic people are highly intelligent, alot depends on the task involved and the individual ... just like any other applicant, you never know what a person is truly capable of until you give them the chance to show you

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hortysir Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: South...Thank God! Posts: 19,853 Rep Power: 3634	As an employer, I'd have to consider their potential to be productive. We have hired our dishwashers from our local A.R.C. for years (association of retarded citizens), and have has good results. They get screened by the assoc. and are evaluted on a regular basis at the restaurant that we have to report to the assoc. Not to sound mean...but they're very productive and inexpesive as most of their living arrangements are taken care of..so I don't have to hear "my kid needs braces...I need a raise". Let the attacks begin.........

10-15-2009, 05:20 PM	#8 (permalink)
Vinnie Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 7,167 Blog Entries: 6 Rep Power: 1348	Well you asked... it's rediculous that braces are not supplied on the NHS!

10-16-2009, 04:46 AM	#9 (permalink)
Flynn Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: The Austrlaian Capital Territory, Canberra, Flynn 2615 Posts: 6,620 Blog Entries: 18 Rep Power: 1049	In the current economic climate I wouldn't consider employing anyone unless they had tertiary or trade qualifications and a proven employment history. I donate to charities from home, my business enables me to do that. If I employed under achievers of any sort it would affect my financial bottom line. In ideal world Employers with a work force of ten. One person would keep the employment and OH&S records. Three people would do the work. Three mentally or physically challenged people would be employed. and Three careers would be employed to assist the physically and mentally challenged “ clients “ who got the job placements in front of able bodied people.