Unusual aspects of Jesus Birth

[theifoncross]

I'm not saying any of what I'm posting is or is not accurate. I just find it all interesting and would like everyones fair minded input.

http://www.ivarna.com/Astrology/jesus.htm

IS THIS THE CHART OF JESUS?

Historians and archaeologists put the birth of Jesus and about the year 6 BC. No one can ever be certain. But I have drawn his chart for 0007 because that was the closest year within that era when astrologically Jupiter and Saturn made a conjunction. Astrology and astronomy which in those days were the same science, dates back at least 600 years before that and the surviving records of more ancient astrologers regard Jupiter and Saturn conjunction as an omen that foretells the birth or inauguration of a new ruler or king. This conjunction was in the sign of the fish, Pisces. This is why I have taken the year 0007 as Jesus year of birth.

So this conjunction resembling a very bright star would have been what the Astrologers saw that cause them to travel to Bethlehem form the orient. The conjunction was at between 13 and 17 Pisces, the fixed star Achernar, also called Alpheta Eridani is traditionally credited with the fate of bestowing high positions in the church, faithful religious beliefs. So what this omen foretold was the coming not of a royal king, but of a religious ruler. In our chart it falls in the eight house, a destiny with death, or person who would die because of their beliefs..

In the chart I decided on a whim - because I was not taking this research too seriously and wanted an interesting article for my website - that the fixed star called the Manger, might be rising! It sounds almost like an idiots way of reaching a conclusion, but the result was very strange. The ascendant and the space around it shows conditions of birth, and putting the Manger here, this automatically caused the Jupiter conjunction to fall in the charts house of death. What else it did was also stunning, it caused a retrograde Neptune to fall on the fourth house cusp. The fourth house, as many readers will know, is the home, and Neptune is long journeys. Here we have a child born a long way from its home in Nazareth, to which it would return (retrogrades always go back symbolically and repeats events in actuality, the journey before birth, the journey after)

Now I could have chosen a different sign for the fourth house, which rules the early environment, home and mother, I could have put Virgo, the virgin. Again very symbolic. And the chart would be different. I am sure there are many ways of doing this chart, even a simple chart for Xmas day year zero would reveal something, though historians tell us that Xmas was not his birth day. Many ways and none are wrong and none are right because what we are drawing up is a chart of not necessarily a human but a spirit, a mystery, and we will only be allowed to reveal and know so much of that mystery and by whatever mysterious method.. This is my method.


The chart does fit with what is known, but what is much more fascinating is what else, the chart reveals about things unknown, in Jesus life, the tiny details, and the biggest parts of the puzzle.
But because this reading is specially for Xmas, rather than the unknown life history of Jesus! I am going to keep with the birth of Christ.


Leo rising would be a child who was healthy. A strong heart and circulation, so he would have been of good colour, no bluish tinge of congestion, no jaundicing or blotchiness. Neptune in Scorpio , and the Uranus aspect, suggests a very sudden almost unexpected on-set to labour an interrupted journey, an unusual birth. Leo rules the metal gold, one of the gifts given at the birth, the ascendant, while Myrrh is ruled by Pisces, house of death. Myrrh gum is a powerful antiseptic.

The ascendant, ( birth) has many aspects, each tell part of the story. There is Neptune aspecting from the fourth house in Scorpio. Scorpio is a sign associated with death, secrets and dark things. Neptune in Scorpio in the fourth, returning home to avoid death and persecution. Neptune in Scorpio aspecting the ascendant or Sun are common in the charts of people who have persecution complex and also in those who are actually persecuted. So these aspects did not bode well for a happy life.

This could have been a child who was victimized and was bullied a lot. Neptune in the fourth, and ruler of eighth, death and inheritance, born into a family of fishermen. Neptune in the fourth and there is always a secret or mystery about the birth.

Physically the upper half of his body , back and chest would have been stronger than the legs which may have been thin . A possible tendency to spinal troubles later in life, or had he lived long enough, this chart also tends towards poor eyesight in the left eye Mild allergy that can cause wheezing and irritable skin in childhood. Leo would give good features, strong bones, long face staring eyes and a clear skin. Lighter than average colouring for his race.

With the sun in Aries in the ninth house? And Leo rising a good constitution with self confidence and strong beliefs but an air of mystery and rather a solitary. A special task in life. If you wondering why I put the sun in 24 Aries? I’m sorry. I don’t know, but maybe someone out there does. I began writing this for last Xmas, but I had too much to do and so it got shelved, and I can no longer remember why, but there would have been a reason and I prefer historical or archaeological reasons wherever possible to mystical ones, I didn't dowse the calendar or throw a dice. But my notes from then are lost and twelve months hard labour has erased my memory. The chart has been constructed for 17th April and works out at about 10:00 in the morning.

But whatever reason I chose, (and it wasn’t this reason), it does fit symbolically. The sun, and the Angel of the Lord appearing, to herald the sheep herders. In astrology ruling planets were known as “Lords”. The sun is the Lord or ruler of the ascendant in this chart. And Aries is the sheep, the ram and the lamb. The lamb of god and the child of the ascendant ruler.

Anyway all my own flock out there of devoted astrologers I hope you have enjoyed this article, it was written for you for seasonal fun and interest, and in the spirit of love and Christmas and I hope you all enjoyed it. Its not meant to be controversial or a “ big deal” in any way. I am not a Christian, so excuse any discrepancies.

[theifoncross]

http://www.godandscience.org/apologe...rginbirth.html

Is the Virgin Birth Scientifically Impossible?
Skeptics have often stated that it is impossible for a virgin to give birth to a child. While it would be a scientific anomaly to give birth while a virgin, it is not a scientific impossibility. This has been known to happen in nature, although it is rare. When it does happen, all offspring are female, since the female has two X chromosomes, so that the offspring inherit, also, two X chromosomes. However, it could be possible in humans for a woman to give birth to a male. The way that it could happen is if the woman had both an X and Y chromosome, which occurs in 1 in 5 million women. So, this possibility cannot be completely ruled out as impossible.

Of course, the Bible describes the virgin birth as a miracle that resulted from the action of the Holy Spirit.1 We don't know exactly what was involved, but it would probably require at least some genetic source from the Holy Spirit.

Regardless of the method by which Jesus was conceived, it would have been very risky to document and claim that He was born of a virgin. In the Middle East there were "honor killings" for women who conceived out of wedlock, so to speak of a virgin birth was extremely dishonorable. In fact, the Bible alludes to some disparaging remarks made by the opponents of Jesus.2 In addition, if you look at the anti-Christian literature at the time, much of it focused on this aspect of Christianity. This makes one wonder why, if Christians were just making up a religion, they say something that would offend virtually everybody in the Middle East. It makes no sense to make up something offensive, unless it were true.


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References
The angel answered, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God. (Luke 1:35)
Then they asked him, "Where is your father?" "You do not know me or my Father," Jesus replied. "If you knew me, you would know my Father also." (John 8:19)

[Patrish]

I know this much, The symbol for Jesus is the Fish
<)))<
Fascinating.....

[theifoncross]

Originally Posted by Patrish

I know this much, The symbol for Jesus is the Fish
<)))<
Fascinating.....

lol....Between your debates with that guy Kamin and a docu I'm watching on the History channel about Jesus I got curious about the various scientific evidiences regarding Christ. People who use science in an attempt to prove or disprove him come across to me as some of the most narrowminded people I've ever seen. The reason I say that is because the more I search the more I find that science gives absolute proof of absolutely nothing. One scientist claims his finding proves something, another claims the first scientist claims are false because of his own findings. I'm not saying science is bad or shouldn't be used, just that it needs to be kept in perspective. To think any scientific discovery is absolute proof of or against anything is to think with blinders on.

[theifoncross]

I realize this a little off subject...but it's still interesting

http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religi...s/jesus4.shtml

Sweating blood
The story of the night in Gethsemane contains powerful medical evidence to support the theory that Jesus knew what he was doing.

It was there that Jesus was touched by dreadful doubt - was death really what God wanted for him? He begged God to release him from his fate.

A at that moment, St. Luke - himself a doctor - records that Jesus sweated drops of blood onto the path before him.

Doctors know that the sweat glands all over our body are supplied by small blood vessels. Under extreme stress these vessels can break and blood can leak into the sweat itself. The medical term is haematohydrosis - blood sweat.

If Jesus knew the torture and agonising death that lay ahead, the stress would have been unbearable, quite enough to cause him to sweat blood.

[FreakyStylie]

Cool looking info! My mom & I were just talking about how the wise men found where Jesus was born, and when they actually found him. This looks to be some of the information we were talking about. It's great to see people actually looking with all their heart and mind for Him! It is written that we must do this, but I rarely find it. Thanks for sharing!!

[Patrish]

This has been known to happen in nature, although it is rare. When it does happen, all offspring are female

Wasps have this ability. Females can reproduce without the males, but will only have males with a male partner. (bummer tho, do nada and still get pregnant. LOL)

However, the spiritual substance that is the essense of God cannot be scientifically reproduced, so science will never have the absolutes.
I own some video's that have archeological finds in them that proove the old testament findings.

I have to watch them again tho to be sure the facts correlate to what I can recall.

I certainly believe science actually prooves the bible... here is why...
These men could not possibly even guess that these things existed in science..
like sweating blood.
If fabricated.....and a tale, then science could have disprooven it by now.
Hence, since they probably never seen such a thing b4....how could they have fabricated it....right? And science has prooven it true.

Thanks