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    Default So why not bomb our friends in Saudi-Arabia?

    They teach hate for America in their schools and hide terrorists and also fund them, only to turn around and strike oil deals with the Bush administration. I found this news report and it is WELL documented so to say it's a lie, you would be fooling yourself.

    So why did we go to Iraq when there is NO proof they helped fund 9/11 and NOT go to Saudi Arabia? Because the Sauds are our friends in oil! They benefit greatly from American defense and oil businesses and George Bush Sr. was a member of the Carlye Group, an international consulting firm for the Bin Ladens and the Saudi royal family. This helps show that it's NOT about stopping terrorists but ALL about domination of oil.

    The Sunday Times - World

    August 25, 2002

    Saudis paid Bin Laden £200m
    Nick Fielding
    SENIOR members of the Saudi royal family paid at least £200m to Osama Bin Laden’s terror group and the Taliban in exchange for an agreement that his forces would not attack targets in Saudi Arabia, according to court documents.

    The papers, filed in a $3,000 billion lawsuit in America, allege the deal was agreed after two secret meetings between Saudi royals and leaders of Al-Qaeda, including Bin Laden. The money enabled Al-Qaeda to fund training camps in Afghanistan later attended by the September 11 hijackers.

    The disclosures will increase tensions between the United States and Saudi Arabia. An analyst at the influential Washington-based Rand Corporation think tank recently told a Pentagon briefing that Saudi Arabia was the “kernel of evil”.

    The documents, based on investigations by lawyers for the September 11 victims and hitherto unpublished information from intelligence agencies, shed light on Al-Qaeda’s funding, naming the Saudi royals and detailing the network of charities and businesses through which Bin Laden raised money.

    According to the lawsuit, the Saudi princes were deeply worried over attacks by Islamic fundamentalists on American servicemen at a US army training facility in Riyadh in November 1995 and at the Khobar Towers barracks in June 1996, in which 19 US airmen died.

    They feared Bin Laden’s men, who had recently relocated to Afghanistan from Sudan, would attempt to destabilise the kingdom because of their opposition to the presence of US troops. They therefore decided to come to an accommodation with the terrorist leader.

    The court documents say the first meeting was in 1996, when Saudi princes and business leaders met in Paris and agreed to give funds to Bin Laden’s organisation. Saudi Arabia’s secret service, the Istakhbarat, had already decided in late 1995 to fund the Taliban, then based primarily in religious schools in Pakistan.

    A further meeting in Kandahar, Afghanistan, in July 1998 led to the deal between Saudi Arabia and the Taliban. Those present included Prince Turki al-Faisal al-Saud, then chief of the Istakhbarat, Taliban leaders, senior officers from Pakistan’s ISI secret service and Bin Laden.

    Turki knew Bin Laden well, not just through family connections but because in the early 1980s he had hand-picked the young Saudi to organise Arab volunteers fighting the Russians in Afghanistan.

    According to the documents, the agreement stated Bin Laden would not use his forces in Afghanistan to subvert the Saudi government. In return, the Saudis agreed to ensure that requests for the extradition of Al-Qaeda members and demands to close Afghan training camps by third countries were not carried out.

    To reinforce the deal, the Saudis agreed to provide oil and financial assistance to both the Taliban and to Pakistan. The documents detail donations totalling “several hundred millions” of dollars.

    The lawsuit also alleges that the Saudi royal family has supported charities with close ties to Bin Laden, including a $6m gift from the Saudi defence minister, Prince Sultan, to the International Islamic Relief Organisation, al-Haramain, the Muslim World League and the World Assembly of Muslim Youth.

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    Intelligence within the U.S. and abroad are WELL aware that Saudi Arabia supports and breeds terrorists so why not sanction them, bomb them? BECAUSE GETTING TERRORISTS HAS TAKEN A BACK SEAT TO ENERGY DOMINATION. That's why! Anyone in bed with the U.S. with concerns to oil, doesn't apply to the term terrorist nation like Iraq, who's oil we demand!

    The Saudi State and Terrorism
    A briefing by Dore Gold
    April 4, 2003

    Dore Gold is a former Israeli ambassador to the U.N. He is the author of Hatred's Kingdom: How Saudi Arabia Supports the New Global Terrorism (Regnery Publishing, 2003). His previous publications include: American Military Strategy in the Middle East: The Implications of the US Regional Command Structure (CENTCOM) For Israel (Ministry of Defense Publications, 1993), Israel as an American Non-NATO Ally: Parameters of Defense and Industrial Cooperation (Westview Press, 1992), and Arms Control in the Middle East (Westview Press, 1990). Mr. Gold, Israel's Ambassador to the United Nations, 1997-99, spoke to the Middle East Forum in New York on April 4, 2003.

    The events of September 11th raised a question for the American people: "Why do they hate us?" Specifically, why did nineteen, mostly Saudi men, led by a Saudi fanatic, collide commercial airplanes into the Pentagon and World Trade Center? In search of possible answers, scholars have gravitated towards two schools of thought. One blames American policies and "arrogance," while the other examines forces within Saudi Arabia that serve as an incubator of religious extremism. The latter is definitely the more credible explanation.

    A Brief History

    The roots of the Saudi-Wahhabi state are found in eighteenth century Arabia. In 1744, a covenant was drawn up between the Al Saud clan and Muhammad ibn `Abd al-Wahhab, the founder of a militant interpretation of Islam commonly known as Wahhabism. In exchange for protection, the Wahhabis provided the Al-Saud clan with religious legitimacy. At its core, Wahhabism is centered on the complete rejection of foreign influences, opposition to modern interpretations of the Koran, and contempt for non-Wahhabi Muslims, who are considered mushrikun (Arabic, polytheistists). Indeed, in the early years of the expansionist Saudi-Wahhabi state, non-Wahhabi Muslims were treated with extreme brutality. In 1802, Wahhabi militants launched a raid on the holy Shiite city of Karbala in southern Iraq, slaughtering over 4,000 worshipers.

    A Deliberate Choice

    Today, the Saudi-Wahhabi alliance is still reflected in the political structures of power. Certain ministries are run by the political appointees of the royal family and others fall under the authority of the Wahhabi clerics. However, this theocratic state by itself is not predisposed to committing acts of violence. Saudi Arabia is a center for religious extremism and hatred because a deliberate choice was made to pursue this course of action. Beginning in the 1960s, Islamists from around the Arab world found safe harbor and employment in Saudi Arabia. These included bin Laden's teacher, the Palestinian preacher Abdullah Azzam; they were given effective control of the educational establishment, cultivating the environment of fanaticism from which Osama bin Laden and his associates emerged.

    In the early 1980s, the Saudis began exporting Wahhabism across the globe, especially Central Asia. Azzam personally went to Pakistan with the support of the Muslim World League (MWL), a massive Saudi-funded enterprise that poses as a charity. Azzam was aided by a branch of the MWL known as the International Islamic Relief Organization (IIRO), which laid the foundations for the Afghan resistance fighting occupying Soviet forces.

    After the Soviet withdrawal from Afghanistan, the jihadists turned their attention to the West. Christians and Jews are also seen as practitioners of polytheism by Wahhabists demanding nothing short of holy war. IIRO offices were rapidly opened up across the world, stretching from the Philippines to Bosnia, to provide spiritual and financial support to terrorists. During its Operation Defensive Shield campaign against the Palestinian terrorist infrastructure in April 2002, Israel uncovered IIRO documents conclusively proving Saudi financial connections to the terrorist group Hamas. One released document indicated allocations totaling $280,000 for Hamas-affiliated "charities." Canada has initiated legal proceedings against the chief of a local IIRO branch, who astonishingly proclaimed that he was an agent of Saudi Arabia (ostensibly to secure diplomatic immunity). Even the Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas has written to Prince Salman (a brother of King Fahd and the governor of Riyadh), complaining about Saudi money given to the Islamic Society, a Hamas organization that, by its own admission, is preparing the next generation of suicide bombers.

    Conclusion

    Saudi Arabia's official complicity in terror is undeniable. The government has and continues to finance international terrorism, even after September 11th. It exports not only its ideologically intolerant brand of Wahhabi Islam but also tens of millions of dollars to incite, foment, and inspire political violence. The U.S. can and must combat this source of terrorism. America's expanded military presence and greater political influence following the war in Iraq give it more leverage than ever to influence the kingdom.

    Ka'bah (Mecca, Saudi Arabia) House of God


    Prophet Muhammad (PBUH)

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    Now, with those two articles in mind, read this next one and maybe you will understand what this is all about. This is from pre-Bush Jr Presidency BTW. This was written in the Clinto era.

    by Most Rev. Dr. Robert M. Bowman, Lt. Col., USAF (retired)

    President, Institute for Space and Security Studies

    and Presiding Archbishop, United Catholic Church




    I’ve been asked to give a little history of how we came to be where we are in this war against Iraq. Let’s look at a little real history, going back a hundred years.

    In 1897 and 1898, Britain used assassination, intrigue, and threats to carve out a piece of Iraq and rule it through the Sheikh of Kuwait. In 1920, after World War I, Britain, France, and the U.S. seized the rights to 95% of the oil in Iraq. By 1932, Britain had expanded Kuwait from a small village on the Gulf into a colony occupying the entire coastline of the Persian Gulf from Arabia to Iran, completely shutting off Iraq from access to the Gulf. For the next half a century, British intelligence murdered almost every Iraqi leader and king, because they called for the return of Kuwait. By 1958 the U.S. was an equal partner with Britain in the coups and assassinations. Together they backed a coup against King Faisal II ( who had himself been installed by the British). He was killed and replaced with Abdel Karim Qassim. But he too called for the return of Kuwait, so CIA chief Allen Dulles ordered his assassination. After the job was botched a couple of times, the CIA gave the assignment to one of its promising young assassins — Saddam Hussein. With the help of a CIA airlift, he succeeded. By 1968, Saddam Hussein was in complete control and, under CIA direction, killing trade unionists, radicals, and Communists.

    In 1977, US National Security Advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski met with Saddam Hussein, the Emir of Kuwait, and a Saudi representative, and proposed that Iraq invade Iran, seizing the Khuzestan oil fields. In 1982, US FBI chief William Webster met with the Emir of Kuwait and plotted the seizure of Iraqi oil fields and the slant-drilling with which Kuwait and western oil companies stole $14 billion worth of Iraqi oil.

    Right up to the time of Saddam’s invasion of Kuwait, US Department of Defense training manuals sang the praises of Saddam Hussein, noting how he had vastly improved education, medical care, and the standard of living of his people. His regime was called one of the most enlightened, progressive governments in the region. This was in an official DoD document used in the education of high-ranking officers of all the military services.

    But there was a problem. The Berlin wall had come down. The Soviet Union had collapsed. And the American people were clamoring for a peace dividend. They had to find another bad guy — fast. In May 1990, a National Security Council white paper stated that Iraq and Saddam Hussein were (and I quote) "the optimum contenders to replace the Warsaw pact as the rationale for major military expenditures."

    Two months later, on July 20, 1990, General Schwarzkopf conducted training exercises simulating exactly the contingency of an Iraqi attack on Kuwait. Five days later, April Glaspie gave Saddam the green light to invade Kuwait. A week later, he did. Almost immediately, the U.S. deployed as many troops and twice as much materiel as was moved for the Normandy invasion. Do you think this was done without advance planning?

    This was the war they wanted, the war they planned for, the war they instigated, the war they salivated over. This was the war that would demonstrate the capabilities of the smart bombs made by our weapons manufacturers. It was better than a hundred trade shows. This was the war that would prove that George Bush was not a wimp. This was the war that would make billions for the oil company owned by the president’s son, George Bush, Jr., who had exclusive rights to offshore oil in the Gulf.

    Saddam was suckered into our trap. And he fell for it. He crossed the undefended border of Kuwait, and in response our government dropped 300 to 400 million pounds of high explosives on Iraq. This onslaught destroyed tens of thousands of buildings and essentially every bridge, power plant, and industrial facility in the country. It killed a quarter of a million Iraqis, including at least 100,000 civilians, of which half were children. Now here we are eight years later, and the shocking death toll from the Gulf War has been dwarfed by that from our continuing war against Iraq. Not only have we failed to rebuild what we destroyed; we have imposed economic sanctions which have prevented the Iraqis and everyone else from doing so.

    In the eight years since the end of Desert Storm, one and a half million Iraqis have died as a direct result of US/UN sanctions. It is now estimated that among those who have lost their lives are three quarters of a million children under the age of five! And the dying goes on. A million Iraqi children are seriously malnourished, and 150 to 200 are dying every day.

    Among the ordnance we used on Iraq were some 500 tons of depleted uranium bombs and artillery shells. The radioactive dust covering the southern part of Iraq has caused birth defects and cancer rates to soar. As if that weren’t enough, we periodically continue to drop bombs and cruise missiles on that devastated nation.

    Who are the bad guys here? Ex-CIA agent Saddam Hussein is no saint. But he is only one pawn in a century-long history of western intrigue, torture, murder, and callous disregard for the people who live in what was once a proud nation.

    Is it any wonder we are considered the great Satan? Is it any wonder we are hated? IS IT ANY WONDER WHY WE ARE THE TERGET OF TERRORISTS?

    We are gathered here to oppose our government’s war against the Iraqi people. But we must not see it as an isolated incident, for it is not. It is but one piece of a bloody history in which foreign policy has been conducted and wars have been fought on behalf of the financial interests of multinational corporations. It is time for a change.
    I agree. Do YOU ??

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    thats all to bad...
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    Quote Originally Posted by anna_hun
    thats all to bad...
    Yep, but HEY, they're business partners so wouldn't DARE bomb them and kill their innocent UNTIL we needed to for other reasons.

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